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International => Australia => Topic started by: 25GTT on May 11, 2002, 04:06:52 AM

Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: 25GTT on May 11, 2002, 04:06:52 AM
OK so help me on this one ANYONE!!??

I have been quoted $1100 to get my R33 computer remapped. basically because the R33 ecu can't be remapped, they take the chip out, replace it with a different one, hook it up to a laptop on the dyno and go at it from there! Does that price seem high or OK to you?

Would you rather an Apexi SAFC?? apparently in remapping you can get everything exact but the words from the guy that wants to do this (who is a trusted name in perth) says the SAFC is a 'band-aid' solution

any thoughts on this anyone? I am dying to know what you all think before i spend $1100 when i could be spending $700 on a Apexi SAFC!!!!

P.S. Sorry to all you guys that read this in The performance SST thread but i need all the info i can get :-)
Thanks for the extra info WIl25T
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: IMACUL8 on May 11, 2002, 06:29:49 AM
U lie Dan

We both know u can get SAFC for about $550.

Dan

PS - U know how I feel about this.
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: 25GTT on May 11, 2002, 06:37:05 AM
Sorry my fault,

 i meant $700 for the SAFC due to installation cost of it aswell and dyno included. That is also included on the $1100 remap.

I do agree with you though about the SAFC being the same thing yet cheaper. Being a begginer in the turbo area i guess what i get told is best for my car, i do. Seeing as though i was getting told from an expert it is easy for them to get me to hand over the extra $$$$

Also my thrust bearing is going and making a whining noise, apparently that can be a pain to fix as they have to pull the transmission apart. Would the money i save from the SAFC be enough to fix the thrust bearing?
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: R34 on May 11, 2002, 07:20:07 AM
I think that a S-AFC is fine on a 33 as Imacul8's experience proves.
The timing curve is pretty good on the Nissan and doesn't need to be modified for a good result.
Because of differences in the 34 computer that causes the timing to be drastically retarded when over 0.8 bar of boost is introduced I may have to remove the S-AFC and go for the more expensive chip.
Cheers
Chris
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: IMACUL8 on May 11, 2002, 07:29:01 AM
R34

You still having problems with your boost cutting.
I was speaking to Brett about it on Wed night when he was doing mine, he really seemed pissed.

Dan
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: R34 on May 11, 2002, 07:48:46 AM
pissed?
Is that the right word.
Was he pissed at me or just at the problem?
He's spent a lot of time on it for me with no reward yet
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: IMACUL8 on May 11, 2002, 07:50:37 AM
Not at you....
that its still a problem.
Do you have any idea how to fix it.  Are u going to need a new ecu.

Dan
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: R34 on May 11, 2002, 08:02:52 AM
I tried a new ECU in the form of a PFC but while it worked the engine fine the auto trans didn't work right.
If I wire in a piggyback computer I will loose all the niceties of the 34 such as traction control and tiptronic auto etc which I'm not prepared to do.
I'll have to think about where to go to from here as it's unfair to get Brett to spend any more time on it if he doesn't get paid for it
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: IMACUL8 on May 11, 2002, 08:13:45 AM
Surely someone in Japan has come across this problem.
Maybe get Forsteen(im sure hes over in Jap land) to enquire at a reputable performance shop.
I know its a long shot, but any avenue to a solution would be a good step at this point.

Dan
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: Bugalugs on May 12, 2002, 02:48:17 AM
25GTT-$1100 is that with dyno work included if so and it has full mapping capability i would think it should be far better than just an SAFC on its own.More load  points,control over the whole motor.This is more like a PowerFC but cheaper.

I would like to know more about where you can get the mods done or if i can get the programme and the add on board with eprom so i can do it myself.

Matt
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: TangoGTS-4 on May 12, 2002, 06:56:28 AM
How much do you want for the sfac if you get rid of it Chris?

Greg.
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: mrsnrub on May 12, 2002, 07:06:57 AM
Well I have to say id go the cheaper option and get a SAFC.

Both Troy and Dan have proven their worth with some sweet dyno results.
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: BOOSTMEISTER on May 12, 2002, 07:51:14 AM
R34
Do you know that the R34's have two points that determine the boot cut ie. boost cut is triggered by 2 different signals so if you get rid of / bypass one you still have to do the other or it will still cut.

Cam
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: meggala on May 12, 2002, 07:51:31 AM
my thoughts are to go s-afc why because you will get more mods and then the chip wont be tuned for the those mod or go the whole hog and get a power fc or microtech. I have a s-afc which you do for my power goals 18-190 rwkw at the most most likey 16-170.

R34 you probably going to need a chip from japan for yours I'd say . cheers
meggala
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: 96GTS on May 12, 2002, 02:54:50 PM
25GTT - if you have $1100 or more to spend? i would just go all the way and get a Power FC!
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: Wil25t on May 12, 2002, 06:38:10 PM
Chris maybe u should get an ITC.
I have one if u are interested.
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: BOOSTMEISTER on May 13, 2002, 02:10:21 AM
Assuming you buy new $1100 is a bit over half the cost of a PFC with install etc, you could buy unichip which is quite good for $1200 which includes install and for another $300 get electronic boost control.  Unfortunately if you want a ITC be quick as they have been discontinued by APEXi and so once the stock in Oz is gone thats it.
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: 25GTT on May 13, 2002, 11:19:20 AM
Hi guys,

In answer to some of the info and questions i have received.

Jeff Ash at C-red (Perth) is doing it (for all you people who wanted to know about the re-map) from the info i have gathered from you guys and my other thread "R33 REMAP or SAFC" i am going to ask him how much it is going to cost me every time i do a mod. FOr example f i do get the remap i want to get a FMIC put in about 3 months time so i will have to get it redone then. Judging that it doesn't cost an arm and a leg then i will go this way.

However as i don't have money coming out of my arse(which i am kinda glad about in a way coz MAN my ass would hurt with paper cuts! :-) )and the SAFC dosn't cost HEAPS to redo than that will be the way to go!

So all in all if a remap of a remap aint too expensive looks like i will go that way instead of the SAFC.

I will keep you all informed as to the exact details of how this goes. Keep in mind i have bought my car, serviced, and basic mods through Jeff so i dunno if that is the general price for everyone.

From what Jeff has told me, I understand that they take a chip off the circuit board, replace with a new one that can be remapped plug a laptop onto it and then get all mixtures and settings as best as possible. $1100 ALL UP new chip, remap, dyno EVERYTHING is what i was told. however it would be more of a pain to redo for every mod that a Power FC would as there is no controller.

Once again thanks for all the Awesome feed back! much appreciated. If you guys and gals do here any more info about this feel free to post away as i am always eager to learn more!!

:cool: :idea:
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: R34 on May 13, 2002, 04:29:08 PM
Quote
Originally posted by BOOSTMEISTER
R34
Do you know that the R34's have two points that determine the boot cut ie. boost cut is triggered by 2 different signals so if you get rid of / bypass one you still have to do the other or it will still cut.

Cam


Yeah we figured that must be it but only had one FCD unit.
There are two mapsensors and the AFM.Can you tell me which map sensor to fit the FCD to?
Does the other FCD go onto the AFM wire?
Have you experience with the R34's before or where did you get your info?
Sorry for so many questions
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: BOOSTMEISTER on May 14, 2002, 01:57:13 AM
R34

Actually, I read it in Paul Brells (BD4's) article in the first issue of SPEED magazine.  I thought it was quite interesting.  While BD4's aren't always forthcoming with info it may pay to call them.

Cam
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: ex-static on May 14, 2002, 04:14:15 AM
I'd go the s-afc, nothing beats the **** factor of the funky blue screen :)
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: philnet on May 14, 2002, 02:50:03 PM
does anyone no if x speed do remapps coz my mates best friend owns it and he said he can hook me up wid watever i want cheap and i was gonna do my chip and up the psi aswell
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: _turtle_ on May 14, 2002, 06:16:12 PM
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We both know u can get SAFC for about $550

just wondering, where can u get safc for $550??
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: 25GTT on May 16, 2002, 08:22:43 AM
hey _turtle_

http://www.takakaira.com has cheap SAFC's going though you have to order from overseas but some of you guys already have done this and have had no probs in ordering. Give that a go.

If not i hear some guys are doing an order soon maybe ask some of the lads if they are doing an order of SAFC's? this would probably be the best way!

Cheaper doing this then paying $700 through local mod stores!

:idea:
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: _turtle_ on May 16, 2002, 05:37:42 PM
hey 25gtt thanks for the site, it is pretty cheap. i converted it back to aussie dollars and it was less than 500.  but then theres the freight charges so its around 550.  sounds like a good price to me, only prob is, how do u install it?  do u get an auto elec to do it?
Title: R33 Remap or Apexi SAFC?
Post by: IMACUL8 on May 17, 2002, 02:57:23 AM
Its a piece of piss to install.

Do it your self, or if u have a mate who a sparki or techo get him to do it.  The shops will charge u $100 or more bucks to put in (RIP OFF) - and it probably takes 1 hour all up.  So if u got a mate whos a sparki get him to do it.

Otherwise ask auto elect for price upfront to install.  Tell him u want it done with solder and shrink wrap, shouldnt be more than $50.

Dan