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International => U.S.A / America's => Topic started by: Sami on July 14, 2003, 06:44:33 AM

Title: From Sean Morris about Omega Skylines
Post by: Sami on July 14, 2003, 06:44:33 AM
I get a call today from a guy with a 1994 R33 GTS that is in Canada.

Canadian customs will not release the vehicle - as the Skylines are not legal in Canada. The only thing they will allow him to do is send the vehicle onto another destination.

He was asking about 6-12 months to import the vehicle , etc.

More lies and mis-information from the Omega Skylines site...

Welcome to the world of - dont pay any attention to what I have being saying and reciting for years.

This guy has a car in Canada , that he can not do anything with. His choices are to import it into the US and pay MotoRex $16,000 to legalize it , or export it back to Japan.

I am pretty sure that this guy was just trying to get around the rules - read the false information and now is screwed....

Think about this when you go and advise people on importation information.

A good place to start is the DOT website at http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov.

(202)366-5291 Office of Safety and Compliance.

Talk to them before you buy any cars off idiots on the internet...


__________________
Sean Morris
10.71@137 "Big Bird"

http://www.rbmotoring.com
http://www.streetlegalskylines.com
Title: Speed53 is a fraud
Post by: scourge on October 25, 2003, 06:01:24 PM
I think this should be a sticky.


They have no product. They have no shop. They have no business phone, but rather only a cell phone. They use cars they do not own and without permission from those who do own the cars to advertise their business. They refuse to answer direct questions. I could go on but I think its obvious that they are simply a fraud with a snazzier website than Omega. Be forewarned.
Title: Merged thread about scam enterprises
Post by: scourge on October 26, 2003, 03:42:15 AM
Well, I got banned from their website after I posted in a thread from someone asking if they could come see their shop. Fraud53 responded that they were only an online company. Here is the exact thing I posted.

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So, what you are saying is that you have no product to show? You have no location for people to visit to check you out? You have no tangible evidence that you can do what you claim you can do? You have no phone number other than a cell phone number? If you can answer these questions with a positive, this will go a long way in establishing your credibility...something that a reputable business would be most willing to cement to ensure survival.


When I went to check for a reply, I was banned permenantly. This is quite telling when a supposedly legitimate company refuses to answer direct questions about the nature of their existence. I don't see how Sami could disagree.
Title: Speed53 , Omega Skylines all the same thing...
Post by: tyndago on October 26, 2003, 02:19:52 PM
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=67566261&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1


Don't get suckered by another scam.
Title: J's Garage? Are they for real?
Post by: SKYLINESrule on November 07, 2003, 11:04:43 AM
http://www.j-garage.com/
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"If you are in the US :
 
This is information from Fuel Imports for importing the JDM car into the US. As you know, all the Japanese specifications vehicle (JDM cars) is a Right Hand Drive model. Because you have to modify the car in order to meet the US standard, it is difficult to import the JDM car into the US at present. And, we are sorry to say that we J's Garage Export are unable to support the importing procedure of the US. If you would consider to import the JDM car into the US, please feel free to get in touch with the Fuel Imports.
note : We J's Garage Export do not support any import procedure. The buyer is responsible for any necessary procedures, or any transfers, or any modifications for them to import the car.


 
FUEL IMPORTS, LLC : Here you can find everything about the importing procedure of JDM cars. And we would be happy to support your importing procedure of the JDM cars, if you are considering to import the JDM car into the US. We can help your importing the JDM car. Please do not hesitate to contact us.
The importing cost depends on factors, but generally
R32 Skyline GTR  1990-1994 : $12,500USD
R33 Skyline GTR 1995 : $15,500USD
R33 Skyline GTR 1996-1998 : $21,500USD
R34 Skyline GTR 1999-2003 :  $21,500USD

Note: These prices include shipping, conversion, federal taxes, bonds, lading.  Shipping included to Port of Elizabeth in New Jersey where conversions are done.  

Also, if you consider to import other JDM car, please feel free to contact us.


Fuel Imports, LLC
813-393-6280
813-393-6281
FuelImports@aol.com "
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Whats that all about?
Is this more BS?
It looks like they are a ligitimate Japanese car importer, but i don't believe their info on legalizing Skylines is true. I guess they're saying "Fuel Imports" legalizes the cars.
Title: Merged thread about scam enterprises
Post by: YumGTR on November 07, 2003, 02:34:39 PM
fuel imports is not a RI or ICI. check the list here:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/web_RI_list07252003.html

a friend of mine in NZ trying to sell an R32 on ebay was approached by them and given the same shpeel. they even gave him a photo of a maroon r33 that they have done. i call BS.

fuel imports, if you are a legitimate entity and have successfully converted *ANY* skyline to US DOT/NHTSA and EPA specs, and can prove this by providing the VIN of any single car you have done for verification with NHTSA and EPA, then make it known here.

i swear, if this is another speed53 or omega skylines type organization with nothing but hype and false promises, someone should be shot...

so Fuel Imports (cough, speed53, cough omega skylines, cough...) step up to the plate, and prove you are legit or quit trying to scam innocent people by your false advertising.
Title: Merged thread about scam enterprises
Post by: YumGTR on November 07, 2003, 03:07:18 PM
i just had this conversation with him:

Fuel Imports: Yes we do.  How soon are you looking to purchase one?
TrevCobb983: I already have one purchased. Is that a problem?
Fuel Imports: No, not at all.  Is it here in the US?
TrevCobb983: yes, imported on the bond of another RI that did not do a lick of work to the car in the 4 months they had it. it has been confiscated from them, and I understand from NHTSA that I must now find another RI to have do the work for me to the car.
Fuel Imports: Where is the vehicle located right now?
TrevCobb983: In storage here in Utah.
TrevCobb983: all the customs paperwork and everything was done 100% legit, i was just made some false promises by the RI I chose here in Utah who said they could for sure legalize the car for me, and they couldn't.
Fuel Imports: Ok, can you ship it to NJ to our facility that does the conversions?
TrevCobb983: no problem
TrevCobb983: what is your price for a 1990 GT-R
TrevCobb983: ?
Fuel Imports: How soon are you looking to do this?
TrevCobb983: immediately
Fuel Imports: $11,500.00 USD
TrevCobb983: I haven't heard of any RI's other than Motorex that have successfully converted a Skyline to DOT and EPA standards.
TrevCobb983: Is Fuel Imports an RI?
Fuel Imports: The technician that we have working on vehicles in NJ is registered by the EPA to do such work on vehicles.
TrevCobb983: What I need, according to NHTSA safety and compliance division, is a contract from another RI saying they agree to do the work to legalize my car, and then NHTSA will have the bond transferred from the RI I used initially to the new RI.
Fuel Imports: What RI did you use prior to this?
TrevCobb983: Interlink Imports
TrevCobb983: Murray, Utah
Fuel Imports: Never heard of them.
TrevCobb983: They are on the list of NHTSA approved RI's.
TrevCobb983: I don't see Fuel Imports on the list. Do you subcontract to an RI there in NJ for the work?
Fuel Imports: The technician that is at our facility is an RI and we will be able to accomodate you through him.
TrevCobb983: That's great. How exciting.
TrevCobb983: How many skylines have you guys done successfully?
Fuel Imports: Please provide us with your phone number and name as it appears on your driver's liscense
TrevCobb983:  ***-***-****, Trevor Cobb
TrevCobb983: what is that for?
Fuel Imports: Ok Trevor, do you have access to a fax machine?
TrevCobb983: To fax you something, or for me to receive a fax from you?
Fuel Imports: To fax the original Bill of Lading over to us.
TrevCobb983: The shipping bill from Japan?
TrevCobb983: I have copies of all the customs paperwork that has been filed on the car.
Fuel Imports: Upon receiving this, we can have our legal department draft a contract for this transaction and fax it over to you.
Fuel Imports: We need all of the paperwork faxed over to us.  Give us all you have for it.
TrevCobb983: Okay, I will be happy to do so. I would like to verify with my contact at NHTSA and EPA that you guys are legit. If you could provide the name of the tech that does the work for you so I can call NHTSA and verify, or the VIN of a Skyline you have successfully converted, I would much appreciate it. Once I have confirmed with NHTSA and EPA that you have successfully done other Skylines, and that you will be successful with my car, then I will fax you whatever documentation you need from me and sign a contract.
TrevCobb983: Hello?
Fuel Imports: Due to the privacy act we are unable to provide you with the VIN of any vehicle that has been converted including skylines, nor can we provide you with the information on our technician that is registered through the EPA to perform the work on these vehicles as we have exclusive rights to the use of his facilities.  We regret to inform you that we are unable to do this for you........
TrevCobb983: Do you have any alternative ideas on what I can do to confirm that your company is legit and that you won't steal my money and/or take my car then not be able to legalize it?
Fuel Imports: with a legal binding contract from us, not only does it include a money back guarantee, but we only require 50% of the transaction price upfront and 50% upon completion.
TrevCobb983: No offense, I just don't know you guys.
Fuel Imports: Where did you hear about us?
TrevCobb983: Yeah, that's still $5k+ USD up front to a company I've never heard of, nor can I verify is legit. Do you have any references I could call? I heard about you on the jgarage web site.
Fuel Imports: Ok, we are the authorized import/conversion company for J's Garage.  Send an Email to Yosi at J's Garage and inquire about us.
TrevCobb983: He has sent a Skyline your way that you have successfully converted? His web site has a big disclaimer above the info for your company saying they do not support any import procedure, and the buyer is fully responsible in the end for everything.
Fuel Imports: We also work directly and on a daily basis with Unreal Imports, based out of Australia and the UK and you may feel free to contact them as well.
TrevCobb983: What about U.S. based customers?
Fuel Imports: Yosi has the disclaimer there for J's Garage only, that is why when you click on US link on his site, it refers you directly to Fuel Imports, LLC.
Fuel Imports: You may check on sunbiz.org to see that we are infact registered as an LLC in the state of Florida.
TrevCobb983: Okay, then can I have your business Tax ID # and address to verify with the BBB in NJ and Florida?
TrevCobb983: I have got to leave now for my World Civilization class to take a test, but if you can provide me one or two other references in the U.S. to verify what you are telling me is true, then please email them to me at trevor@tc2online.com and I will speak with you about this matter later. Thanks!
Title: Merged thread about scam enterprises
Post by: scourge on November 07, 2003, 05:35:40 PM
scam.....obvious. I'm so tired of people full of ****. I'm getting an M30 in the US. Too much bull**** with the GTR. Going to swap in an SR20. Not as fast as a GTR, but less hassle though.
Title: Merged thread about scam enterprises
Post by: YumGTR on November 07, 2003, 08:03:36 PM
latest part of my continued conversation with them... IMO, definitely scammers, although they have piqued my curiosity about who in the hell this "technician" is and what affiliation he has (if any) with an RI and/or ICI.

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Fuel Imports: You asked about an escrow account. My thought on the matter is this, why don't you just keep my car until I've paid you for the work (and charge only a small amount up front as a retainer), and then if I don't pay you for the work, put a mechanic's lien on my car and sell it to whoever you'd like.
Fuel Imports: this might work out
TrevCobb983: you see what i mean then?
Fuel Imports: yes, i just spoke to my supervisor about this idea
TrevCobb983: so no money up front?
Fuel Imports: A small retainer, what is the max you could put down.  I will tell my supervisor, and see if it is ok or not.
TrevCobb983: Let me put some thought to it and get back to you.
Fuel Imports: Ok, no problem.  We do accept credit cards also.  For the retainer.
TrevCobb983: Well, that's good that you guys can be flexible on that.
Fuel Imports: We try!  You may be able to put the entire transaction on a credit card.  I could check for you.  Normally we sell vehicles and conversions, but since this is just a conversion, there may be an acception.
Fuel Imports: Would you like me to find out if it is feasible to put the entire transaction on a credit card?
TrevCobb983: the whole $11,500?
Fuel Imports: Sure, if that is better for you.
TrevCobb983: i wouldn't need to do that, just pay you a certain amount up front on a card, and then when the car is done and you have it registered for me you i can get a loan and pay you off with that money.
Fuel Imports: Not that it would have to be all at once either
Fuel Imports: Would you be able to do half on the card?  That way we don't have to try coming up with the special way of expediting this like you had mentioned.  It could be done as half now, half upon completion and no mechanics lien.
TrevCobb983: okay, well i'll put some thought to it and let you know. i really would like to speak with one or more of your customers that has purchased a car from you and/or purchased a conversion from you.
Fuel Imports: Again, due to the privacy act, unfortunately we are unable to do that.  We do have the money back guarantee in the contract for you though.
TrevCobb983: What privacy act are you talking about? i don't know a business out there that wouldn't be happy to provide the names of some of their customers as a reference. You saying that makes it seem like you have something to hide, and that concerns me.
TrevCobb983: Omega Skylines and Speed53.com both say that same exact thing, that "that information is confidential" and that it violates their "non-disclosure agreements"
TrevCobb983: they both turned out to be nothing but big scams.
Fuel Imports: We will not disclose anything about our customers.  We will not disclose anything about you either.
Fuel Imports: Look us up on Sunbiz.org to see that we are incorporated
TrevCobb983: i can be incorporated if i wanted to, that doesn't mean too much. not trying to insult you.
TrevCobb983: Then at least send me a copy of a bond release that you have obtained from NHTSA and EPA for a Skyline with half the VIN and any personal info blacked out.
TrevCobb983: surely you can do that. it wouldn't violate this privacy act you speak of, and it would show me that you are legit.
Fuel Imports: I just checked with my supervisor, and even that would violate the privacy act.
TrevCobb983: Explain to me how that would violate any privacy act if there is no private information disclosed?
TrevCobb983: again, you understand how it would seem that you are trying to hide something.
Fuel Imports: To check references for us.  Contact Yosi at J's Garage and Joe at Unreal Imports.  Surely that would solidify this for you as they refer people to us on a daily basis for this same service we are speaking of.  We are the only company that they refer people to when they want to convert a JDM vehicle here in the US.
TrevCobb983: But they have never used your services themselves.
TrevCobb983: they only JDM vehicle that can be converted is the Skyline per the NHTSA eligibility list.
Fuel Imports: This is the policy and there is no getting around it.  If hearing from two suppliers of these vehicles is not good enough for you, then why has it been for other customers.  Our contract should be enough to put you at ease.  You can take legal action since we are infact incorporated in the US.
TrevCobb983: and if i give you any money, and you and your company disappear, i am screwed. you can't sue a company that doesn't have any assets.
Fuel Imports: We could send you a copy of a bill of lading for a skyline
Fuel Imports: would that suffice?
TrevCobb983: a bill of lading is just a shipping record
TrevCobb983: I would need to see documentation from the US gov't stating that a car you have done work on has been certified as DOT and EPA compliant. black out the VIN for the car. Black out any confidential info.
TrevCobb983: I'm just asking you to prove your claim that you can legalize a skyline to DOT and EPA standards. I am the potential customer, and if it can't be proved to my satisfaction then I can't be a customer, I'm sorry. I feel comfortable making financial arrangements with you as we have discussed, but my concerns must be addressed before I enter into any business deal with you.
Fuel Imports: Since you would be putting the initial amount on your credit card, IF we scammed you, you could report that as a claim to your CC company and their insurance would cover you for your LOSSES.
Fuel Imports: The documents you speak of are not posessed by Fuel Imports, LLC, but in the posession of the technician that is registered by the EPA to perform the conversions.
TrevCobb983: By law it must be an RI and an ICI that perform the modifications to legalize a non-conforming car, and the EPA certification and testing must be performed by an ICI. A single technician working solo would not be qualified to do such work and certification to a Skyline or any other non-conforming car for that matter. Your tech would have to do that work in conjunction with a registered importer who would sign off on the matter to DOT/NHTSA and EPA.
Fuel Imports: We could request that this information be released to us, but in the past, due to the Privacy Act, the technician has not released such information.
TrevCobb983: See what you can do for me to help appease my concerns, and we can definitely do business. And if we do one car together, I will have you do many more for me in the years to come, and I will refer many people to you.
Fuel Imports: The technician that we speak of is the one who is in charge of the shop where the vehicles are converted and like I said, is registered by the EPA to do such work and has converted around 2 dozen skylines in the years that he has been doing this.  This I assure you, but as for the information, I will do what I can for you.
Fuel Imports: We at Fuel Imports, LLC do not need your business in any way...
Fuel Imports: We VALUE it!
TrevCobb983: Dude, are you using Sean Morris or any other former M-rex employee?
TrevCobb983: dozens of skylines = motorex
Fuel Imports: We get asked that question quite often, but no we do not use Sean or former MX emply
Fuel Imports: our guy has been doing this for 10 years
TrevCobb983: skylines have only been on the eligibility list since 1998
Fuel Imports: Longer than Motorex has even been in business
Fuel Imports: correct, he has been converting vehicles in general and registered with the EPA for 10 years
TrevCobb983: heh, okay. well do some brainstorming on ways you can help me feel better about the situation, and what info you could give me to help prove you guys are legit, and we'll see where this can go.
Fuel Imports: We have pretty much given all of the information that we can.  If you are still interested in doing business with us, let us know.  We have too many other clients interested in our services at this time to focus our time on trying to obtain information by bending the rules of the Privacy Act for the benefit of one client.
Fuel Imports: Again we do not NEED your business, we VALUE it.
TrevCobb983: Okay, well I'm sorry to hear that. It appears we will not be able to do business then. I just hope if you guys are scammers that you don't get away with stealing too many people's money before you get busted. If you're legit, then best of luck to you.
Fuel Imports: I do not like the implication that we may be scammers, do more homework on us and come back when you are comfortable with our company and its reputation.
TrevCobb983: You aren't providing any means for me to do the research or homework I'd like to do. Don't take things the wrong way, I'm just saying there's only two possibilities as far as your company is concerned. You either can do skylines and you have done so before. Or you can't do skylines, and you haven't done any before and you are scamming people. I hope it's the former, but because you aren't giving me any proof otherwise, I fear the worst.
TrevCobb983: I hope you understand.
Title: Merged thread about scam enterprises
Post by: YumGTR on November 07, 2003, 08:27:23 PM
sorry guys, I guess this is turning into a novel... if you can stomach reading any more of this, you might find it interesting. i am in fact going to email this entire conversation to Clint Lindsay with NHTSA tomorrow to get his take on the matter.

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Fuel Imports: You asked about an escrow account. My thought on the matter is this, why don't you just keep my car until I've paid you for the work (and charge only a small amount up front as a retainer), and then if I don't pay you for the work, put a mechanic's lien on my car and sell it to whoever you'd like.
Fuel Imports: this might work out
TrevCobb983: you see what i mean then?
Fuel Imports: yes, i just spoke to my supervisor about this idea
TrevCobb983: so no money up front?
Fuel Imports: A small retainer, what is the max you could put down.  I will tell my supervisor, and see if it is ok or not.
TrevCobb983: Let me put some thought to it and get back to you.
Fuel Imports: Ok, no problem.  We do accept credit cards also.  For the retainer.
TrevCobb983: Well, that's good that you guys can be flexible on that.
Fuel Imports: We try!  You may be able to put the entire transaction on a credit card.  I could check for you.  Normally we sell vehicles and conversions, but since this is just a conversion, there may be an acception.
Fuel Imports: Would you like me to find out if it is feasible to put the entire transaction on a credit card?
TrevCobb983: the whole $11,500?
Fuel Imports: Sure, if that is better for you.
TrevCobb983: i wouldn't need to do that, just pay you a certain amount up front on a card, and then when the car is done and you have it registered for me you i can get a loan and pay you off with that money.
Fuel Imports: Not that it would have to be all at once either
Fuel Imports: Would you be able to do half on the card?  That way we don't have to try coming up with the special way of expediting this like you had mentioned.  It could be done as half now, half upon completion and no mechanics lien.
TrevCobb983: okay, well i'll put some thought to it and let you know. i really would like to speak with one or more of your customers that has purchased a car from you and/or purchased a conversion from you.
Fuel Imports: Again, due to the privacy act, unfortunately we are unable to do that.  We do have the money back guarantee in the contract for you though.
TrevCobb983: What privacy act are you talking about? i don't know a business out there that wouldn't be happy to provide the names of some of their customers as a reference. You saying that makes it seem like you have something to hide, and that concerns me.
TrevCobb983: Omega Skylines and Speed53.com both say that same exact thing, that "that information is confidential" and that it violates their "non-disclosure agreements"
TrevCobb983: they both turned out to be nothing but big scams.
Fuel Imports: We will not disclose anything about our customers.  We will not disclose anything about you either.
Fuel Imports: Look us up on Sunbiz.org to see that we are incorporated
TrevCobb983: i can be incorporated if i wanted to, that doesn't mean too much. not trying to insult you.
TrevCobb983: Then at least send me a copy of a bond release that you have obtained from NHTSA and EPA for a Skyline with half the VIN and any personal info blacked out.
TrevCobb983: surely you can do that. it wouldn't violate this privacy act you speak of, and it would show me that you are legit.
Fuel Imports: I just checked with my supervisor, and even that would violate the privacy act.
TrevCobb983: Explain to me how that would violate any privacy act if there is no private information disclosed?
TrevCobb983: again, you understand how it would seem that you are trying to hide something.
Fuel Imports: To check references for us.  Contact Yosi at J's Garage and Joe at Unreal Imports.  Surely that would solidify this for you as they refer people to us on a daily basis for this same service we are speaking of.  We are the only company that they refer people to when they want to convert a JDM vehicle here in the US.
TrevCobb983: But they have never used your services themselves.
TrevCobb983: they only JDM vehicle that can be converted is the Skyline per the NHTSA eligibility list.
Fuel Imports: This is the policy and there is no getting around it.  If hearing from two suppliers of these vehicles is not good enough for you, then why has it been for other customers.  Our contract should be enough to put you at ease.  You can take legal action since we are infact incorporated in the US.
TrevCobb983: and if i give you any money, and you and your company disappear, i am screwed. you can't sue a company that doesn't have any assets.
Fuel Imports: We could send you a copy of a bill of lading for a skyline
Fuel Imports: would that suffice?
TrevCobb983: a bill of lading is just a shipping record
TrevCobb983: I would need to see documentation from the US gov't stating that a car you have done work on has been certified as DOT and EPA compliant. black out the VIN for the car. Black out any confidential info.
TrevCobb983: I'm just asking you to prove your claim that you can legalize a skyline to DOT and EPA standards. I am the potential customer, and if it can't be proved to my satisfaction then I can't be a customer, I'm sorry. I feel comfortable making financial arrangements with you as we have discussed, but my concerns must be addressed before I enter into any business deal with you.
Fuel Imports: Since you would be putting the initial amount on your credit card, IF we scammed you, you could report that as a claim to your CC company and their insurance would cover you for your LOSSES.
Fuel Imports: The documents you speak of are not posessed by Fuel Imports, LLC, but in the posession of the technician that is registered by the EPA to perform the conversions.
TrevCobb983: By law it must be an RI and an ICI that perform the modifications to legalize a non-conforming car, and the EPA certification and testing must be performed by an ICI. A single technician working solo would not be qualified to do such work and certification to a Skyline or any other non-conforming car for that matter. Your tech would have to do that work in conjunction with a registered importer who would sign off on the matter to DOT/NHTSA and EPA.
Fuel Imports: We could request that this information be released to us, but in the past, due to the Privacy Act, the technician has not released such information.
TrevCobb983: See what you can do for me to help appease my concerns, and we can definitely do business. And if we do one car together, I will have you do many more for me in the years to come, and I will refer many people to you.
Fuel Imports: The technician that we speak of is the one who is in charge of the shop where the vehicles are converted and like I said, is registered by the EPA to do such work and has converted around 2 dozen skylines in the years that he has been doing this.  This I assure you, but as for the information, I will do what I can for you.
Fuel Imports: We at Fuel Imports, LLC do not need your business in any way...
Fuel Imports: We VALUE it!
TrevCobb983: Dude, are you using Sean Morris or any other former M-rex employee?
TrevCobb983: dozens of skylines = motorex
Fuel Imports: We get asked that question quite often, but no we do not use Sean or former MX emply
Fuel Imports: our guy has been doing this for 10 years
TrevCobb983: skylines have only been on the eligibility list since 1998
Fuel Imports: Longer than Motorex has even been in business
Fuel Imports: correct, he has been converting vehicles in general and registered with the EPA for 10 years
TrevCobb983: heh, okay. well do some brainstorming on ways you can help me feel better about the situation, and what info you could give me to help prove you guys are legit, and we'll see where this can go.
Fuel Imports: We have pretty much given all of the information that we can.  If you are still interested in doing business with us, let us know.  We have too many other clients interested in our services at this time to focus our time on trying to obtain information by bending the rules of the Privacy Act for the benefit of one client.
Fuel Imports: Again we do not NEED your business, we VALUE it.
TrevCobb983: Okay, well I'm sorry to hear that. It appears we will not be able to do business then. I just hope if you guys are scammers that you don't get away with stealing too many people's money before you get busted. If you're legit, then best of luck to you.
Fuel Imports: I do not like the implication that we may be scammers, do more homework on us and come back when you are comfortable with our company and its reputation.
TrevCobb983: You aren't providing any means for me to do the research or homework I'd like to do. Don't take things the wrong way, I'm just saying there's only two possibilities as far as your company is concerned. You either can do skylines and you have done so before. Or you can't do skylines, and you haven't done any before and you are scamming people. I hope it's the former, but because you aren't giving me any proof otherwise, I fear the worst.
TrevCobb983: I hope you understand.
TrevCobb983: Thanks for taking the time to speak with me.
Fuel Imports: If we were scamming people, then why are you the first to have a problem like this for comitting to our services?

Why on earth would JDM exporters like J's Garage and Unreal Imports keep referring clients to us?
TrevCobb983: because it helps them to make money by selling cars to people by making them think there's a cheap easy way to make them legal. what other types of cars have you legalized?
Fuel Imports: Seems pretty obvious to me.  There is no way they would refer clients to us if we were infact a shady company.
TrevCobb983: I'm glad things are obvious and clear to you. They aren't for me, I'm sorry. What other types of cars have you done?
Fuel Imports: What you just said, makes no sense.
Fuel Imports: CRX Delsol
Fuel Imports: RX7
Fuel Imports: Integra Type R
TrevCobb983: all RHD?
Fuel Imports: yes
TrevCobb983: then i know for sure that you aren't federally legalizing them. none of those cars are on the NHTSA eligibility list.
Fuel Imports: They all have a US supply here in the states
TrevCobb983: The only RHD car on the list is the Skyline.
Fuel Imports: That list is only for vehicles not available in the US.
Fuel Imports: Doesn't matter RHD or LHD
TrevCobb983: nope, that's for any car not originally manufactured to conform to US safety and emissions standards.
TrevCobb983: trust me, I've spoken with NHTSA about doing an Integra Type R. without petitioning it on to the eligibility list and crashtesting the JDM version, it is illegal to import.
TrevCobb983: http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/
Fuel Imports: OBD2 is only required on vehicles 1996 and newer
TrevCobb983: i have definitely done my homework. if you haven't read the info at that site, I recommend you do.
TrevCobb983: If NHTSA knew you had facilitated the importation and registration of non-conforming cars not on the eligibility list you could face serious federal charges (federal law was broken), and those cars you sold to customers would be confiscated from them and either crushed or exported. NHTSA does not mess around.
TrevCobb983: maybe you've successfully registered some RHD cars in Florida. that does not mean they are federally legal.
Fuel Imports: They are personal articles and can legally be brought into the US per Federal Law!!!
Fuel Imports: Do your homework on the Personal Articles Clause.
TrevCobb983: Show me.
Fuel Imports: How do you think military personnel have brought vehicles into this country from being staitioned overseas for years.  Do you think they scam and sneak them in?  No, the federal government has provided them with these laws of Personal Articles to protect them and benefit them.
TrevCobb983: actually, i know many people in the military who have the ability to have their cars shipped to the US for them by the military, but for anything other than 1 year temporary use of a non-conforming vehicle, they have to pay to have the vehicle converted to US safety and emissions standards, and that is only possible if it is on the vehicle eligibility list.
TrevCobb983: I'll tell you what I'll do for you. If you'd like me to, I will be happy to submit our conversation for review via email by Clint Lindsay who is in the NHTSA safety and compliance office. if he verifies what you're telling me is true, and he isn't interested in having federal charges brought against Fuel Imports for facilitating the importation of non-conforming vehicles, then maybe we can work something out after all.
Fuel Imports: I do not intend to get into a contest of who knows what.  I work the night shift as an online consultant for Fuel Imports and am sure that, since you have done your homework, you will know far more than me.  
TrevCobb983: Take for example the problem of importing European and JDM Lancer Evo 8's into the country. Right now there is a petition on file with NHTSA to allow the importation of LHD Euro Evo 8's, and Mitsubishi USA is fighting it tooth and nail because the US model and the Euro model have many major differences, and the Euro model does not meet US safety standards, nor is it easily converted to meet US safety standards. Go to: http://dms.dot.gov and do a simple search for Docket # 15470 and you will see what i'm talking about.
TrevCobb983: I will ask Clint what he thinks about our conversation, and if he gives me the thumbs up on doing business with you, then I will pursue a business relationship with you.
Fuel Imports: That is not a decision that I can make on behalf of this organization.  Again, if you would like to do some homework on the Personal Articles Clause, feel free to do so.  Contact us if and when you are ready to go forward with this transacation.
TrevCobb983: Okay, will do. Thanks!
Fuel Imports: Again, I appreciate your time, we do not need your business however, we value it, so please let us know when you are ready to go forward with our services.
TrevCobb983: Yep.
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Post by: Kevin D on November 08, 2003, 03:24:42 AM
J's-Garage and Yosi are a ligitimate business in Japan as I have done business with him for years.  Fuel Imports on the other hand.....well.....I will just keep quiet.....
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Post by: scourge on November 08, 2003, 05:19:02 AM
I wont. ANY company who is not willing to let you know who you are doing business with is fraudlent in some way. They want you to give them money yet not ask any questions. Riiiiiiight. Con men.
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Post by: tyndago on November 08, 2003, 05:32:11 AM
Whoever you are talking to..... well the big  "NO DONT DO IT"  to me is they guy keeps saying his specialist that is registered with the EPA.

The DOT doesnt really care about the EPA . The EPA doesnt really care about the DOT .

So you are asking about the NHTSA , and he keeps coming back with EPA .  Thats like asking about Skylines - and he is saying the weathers nice...... two different conversations... two different government agencies .  

You can be an RI and not be registered with the EPA .  You can be an ICI and not be an RI.   You are not required to be both.

But if you are an RI you need to contract with an ICI in order to import the vehicle.
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Post by: SkylineGTR_guy on November 11, 2003, 10:30:15 AM
Nice find. I was actually looking at J's garage for a R34 they have. Is it possible to purchase from j's and go through motorex? (or RBmotoring, They recently became RI's and are working on their first skyline)
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Post by: Kevin D on November 11, 2003, 02:05:37 PM
Yes, it is.  Very easy to do - and very cost effective.....
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Post by: r33vspec1 on November 13, 2003, 08:04:22 AM
well i guess i got a hold of this thread a little too late... i already ordered an r33 with fuel imports.... should be here first or 2nd week of dec...i already gave them 26,000 dollars so im really nervous now..... too late to back out now i guess but if teh car does come to my house and theya re legit then i will def come and post and let u guys know.. how ever if they arent legit who knows wht im goin to do..  well thans guys and if u guys get any news please post it thanx again
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Post by: YumGTR on November 14, 2003, 07:33:28 AM
they might be able to deliver a skyline to you, but it will most definitely not be legal according to federal law. get your money back now before it's too late.
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Post by: r33vspec1 on November 17, 2003, 12:59:53 PM
well im not going to ask for my money back until its here and someone tells me its not legal... i have a full contract that says money back garuantee if im not able to drive the car legally in california......the only thing that kinda  is still makin me a lil nervous is  seeing if it infact does get delivered.....if it does get delivered i should be in good shape and ill come back here and give you guys the good news (or bad news) thanx again and countdown is about a week and a half till arrival so ill keep you guys posted
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Post by: TNH on November 19, 2003, 08:39:03 AM
I found these guys through J's garage too, and had a few lengthy phone calls with the two guys that own the place. Mike and Paul I believe are their names. They seemed professional, and willing to help out with any questions I had. They sent pics of some cars, and we went over pricing. I was very close to sending them $25k that week for a nice R32, until I talked to the mysterious tech. He told me that the R32 GTR was not AWD, only the R33 and R34 were. I was pretty sure he was wrong, and even made a post about that on this forum to make sure I was right. Paul or Mike called me back the next day and told me that there had been some kind of mistake, and the tech had only worked on non GTR models, which is why he thought R32's were RWD only.

I'm glad I didn't send my money.
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Post by: skydrift on November 24, 2003, 02:27:11 PM
I talked to the guy from Fuel Imports online and when i asked him about if they are an RI he would respond with "we are just are under another name" rrright...i think the guy is FOS...
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Post by: jspecjoe on November 29, 2003, 05:35:11 PM
I am in the process of getting two skylines from Fuel imports , I too talked to mike and was told all the same info that is in this discussion I wanted to chat with the guy who already gave them money as I am or was so close to giving them money also. I was getting a 34 and 33 both GTR,S . I was able to get them to send me a bill of a skyline that had shipped and even got their insurance company out of NY and policy number. These guys were needing me to buy instantly because they had to get another car on the boat to save shipping. I had three days of lengthly talks with 3 dif people. I finally asked to rework the deal with an sti subaru as down payment and they never got back to me after they said it was good. I think I was faxed 3 dif contracts along the way and all had mistakes . I am still looking if anyone knows where I can really get 2 skylines legal or not to drive ill send them to motorex if I have to.
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Post by: tyndago on December 01, 2003, 05:43:07 AM
Anyone can get a bill of a car being shipped .  

You want to see a DOT Bond Release and a copy of a 3520-1 release.

You dont want to see bills , you dont want information , you dont want HS-7's .  

Trying to help people from getting screwed .

All people see is a good price and go for it .  

If you dont want to get screwed over and blow all your money , listen to me.

If you just want to throw money away - listen to anyone else you want to.
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Post by: taku on January 19, 2004, 07:44:21 PM
I don't know much about Fuel Imports but just by the conversation that went on.. they are definitely scamming IMO. Waaaay too shady to send $1000 to, let alone 20K+
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Post by: mtbjj2jzgte on March 05, 2004, 04:48:59 PM
So from what I've read,

Fuel Imports=Scammers

J-garage=Legit??

Anyone help clarify please??
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Post by: FinalRights on March 06, 2004, 07:54:45 PM
J's Garage is legit,Fuel Imports on the other hand has not proven anything.
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Post by: tyndago on April 22, 2004, 07:58:26 PM
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Originally posted by r33vspec1
well im not going to ask for my money back until its here and someone tells me its not legal... i have a full contract that says money back garuantee if im not able to drive the car legally in california......the only thing that kinda  is still makin me a lil nervous is  seeing if it infact does get delivered.....if it does get delivered i should be in good shape and ill come back here and give you guys the good news (or bad news) thanx again and countdown is about a week and a half till arrival so ill keep you guys posted


So what happened ?
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Post by: J.A. on April 23, 2004, 05:19:55 AM
Fuel Imports are legit, they already bought 3 cars from us.
The last 2 are BCNR33's that will shipped this month and will be in the U.S. mid May.  You can check the car in NY if you want, when it arrives.

So to all of you who doesn't believe,.. its all up to you.
I just want to clarify that they are not a scam.  
I'ved dealt with them when I was in Australia.
Now I am in the U.S. I still do business with them.
Why do they deal with me, plain and simple, we get cars thru Japanese auto auctions, whom we are members off.  We also deal with other dealers and exporters all over Japan, like King Buyer, and so and so on. But they add their expenses and commissions on top of the car, and not listing it in their prices.

We can get BCNR33's even Vspec for US$15,000. Even less for a standard GTR R33.
Vspecs are just a bloody badge mates....hehe
We do not get these cars until the cash are in our bank.
There are too many time wasting dreamers out there.
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Post by: cdnskyline on April 26, 2004, 10:07:46 AM
I have been talking with Fuel imports for the last few months about importing some r33/34 into Canada.  They sound very legit for my dealing. I am working out a contact with them that they hold the money in an escrow account until the cars phyically are in Canada.  But when i ask them for a VIN number, they say they cannot provide that to me, because the customer information is on the papers.  I asked them to whip out the name...I just want to verify with FSSMV the car is legit in the US.  The guy says that they are like a "broker"  They have people who import the cars, OTher people to covert them in, and then they sell them.  I want to see someone who has a car from them.  He mentioned that he had deliveried 3 skylines in the last two weeks...but i havent see a finished car to confirm if it legit.:splat:   I really want to import an r33 into Canada.  I have a question for people who have one in the US.  The FSSMV put a complaiance sticker on your car once it is legit.  Can someone send me a copy of this sticker?  I just want to make sure i can get the car into Canada.

Thanks
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Post by: cdnskyline on April 26, 2004, 10:41:04 AM
oh one more thing.   They told me that they can convert the r34 to meet US standards.  I questioned this...and he said their techs know a ways to have it pass.  But he could give me an example.
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Post by: tyndago on April 26, 2004, 03:40:24 PM
Fuel Imports is a scam.... plain and simple.

You also can not import R33 or R34 to Canada.
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Post by: cdnskyline on April 26, 2004, 05:03:56 PM
Sean-  You can...I have checked into it.  There is a "loop poll" IN Transport Canada Laws...and I have confirmed it with about 5-6 times.
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Post by: tyndago on April 26, 2004, 05:46:37 PM
Thats called a loop hole..... at least try and get the terminogoly right....
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Post by: cdnskyline on April 26, 2004, 05:48:39 PM
YA ya..my bad...But the point is that you can get an r33 into Canada..that is less then 15 years old
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Post by: tyndago on April 27, 2004, 05:12:59 AM
You can take cars into any country .  

Its all about doing things legally.

If you know something everyone else doesnt know - good for you.
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Post by: J.A. on April 27, 2004, 11:33:27 AM
From what I know Canada has the same rule as Australia's 15 year rule.
Other than that, i have no idea, my business is getting cars for my buyers.  Compliance and other legal importation issues, I try to stay away from.  
Fuel Imports makes us look for cars from all the Japanese Auto auctions, whatever he does with it, its beyond me.  I'm sure he is not gonna get cars and not make it legal for U.S. use.

As long as any buyer is willing to pay for our fees, we will work with anyone.
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Post by: tyndago on April 27, 2004, 12:05:43 PM
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Originally posted by J.A.

As long as any buyer is willing to pay for our fees, we will work with anyone.


Not knocking you..... its not up to you. Its up to the people on the other end....

And I am saying that they are the scammers...
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Post by: J.A. on April 27, 2004, 01:30:20 PM
I know what you mean Sean, that is why I dont ask them about their business. I stay out of it. I even tell some of the U.S. buyers, call an RI and ICI first. I dont care who they go to, as long as the do that first. Otherwise I really dont like to entertain too many time wasters. I'm sure you know what I mean.
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Post by: cdnskyline on April 29, 2004, 05:32:34 AM
there is a way to get an Skyline less then three years old into canada.  But Fuel imports told me that they can get me an R34. But you cant covert on in the US.  IF Fuel imports is selling me the car, They are responsble for coverting it and getting all the ness. paper work to have it legit in the US.  But they are not giving all the informtion on how they convert the cars!  If i bought a car from Sean, he would make sure it meets all US requirements before I picked the car up because he would be liable if anything went wrong.   Fuel on the other hand...I think they are bunch of scammers.
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Post by: Kendall on April 29, 2004, 07:07:20 AM
Doesnt add up if you ask me. If it sounds too good to be true, it is..
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Post by: J.A. on April 29, 2004, 03:54:27 PM
I dont think Fuel Imports will get 3 BCNR33's from us and not get them to their buyers fully complied. I understand a lot of people wont just let go all that money not knowing, whats gonna happen. I am not backing Fuel Imports up, just because they have bought all these cars thru us. Like I said over and over again to all who calls us, they can go to any RI or ICI or their choice.
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Post by: tyndago on April 29, 2004, 04:28:29 PM
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Originally posted by J.A.
I dont think Fuel Imports will get 3 BCNR33's from us and not get them to their buyers fully complied.


They will make a lot more money if they dont do it legally.

Probably double..... is that enough incentive to scam a few people.... sure....
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Post by: Kendall on April 29, 2004, 04:39:19 PM
Two ways to legalise Skylines
1. half ass way you can get away with until you wreck it or cause a stir..
2. The MotorRex way where noone can touch you...
I have had experience with the earlier and it does work, but stay as low key as a skyline can and try not to sell it... If you sell it people will ask questions..
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Post by: J.A. on April 29, 2004, 04:58:55 PM
Okay mates, im staying out of this legalization thing, all I can say is if you need a car, thru the Japanese auto auction, call us, before the Japanese holiday, few days left, cars are going extremely cheap, a bloody 1995 BCNR33 went for US$10,000.
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Post by: tyndago on April 29, 2004, 05:05:28 PM
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Originally posted by J.A.
Okay mates, im staying out of this legalization thing, all I can say is if you need a car, thru the Japanese auto auction, call us, before the Japanese holiday, few days left, cars are going extremely cheap, a bloody 1995 BCNR33 went for US$10,000.


And a 1989 R32 went for about $20,000...
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Post by: J.A. on April 29, 2004, 05:18:10 PM
I'm on USS, only high priced BNR32, 4 grade,  was sold for 1.1 million yen.
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Post by: celm on April 30, 2004, 03:36:27 AM
1993 Pulsar GTiR, modified 400HP,US$38900,stock#CRU047:confused:

where did they pick this price for a RNN14
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Post by: J.A. on April 30, 2004, 04:26:33 AM
I know what you mean, it's not us who prices these cars, one shop we deal in Sapporo, prices his MR2 race car for US$60,000FOB, due to the fact its a race car and everything from the engine and so on are brand new parts. True some cars like a highly modified EVO's, R32's sells for less than US$20,000, from our other contacts. Like I said, not us who prices these cars, diff prices from diff dealers, exporters, pro shops, etc. That is why we mostly get cars for our buyers from auctions.  Hell was can get a stock Pulsar GTiR at the auction for US$2000 even less, depending on its grade. Thats the way it is


Cheers
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Post by: tyndago on April 30, 2004, 05:47:20 PM
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Originally posted by J.A.
I'm on USS, only high priced BNR32, 4 grade,  was sold for 1.1 million yen.


Grade 5 A -

2004/04/15  20061
Tokyo 1989 SKYLINE F5
2600 29
gray
BNR32
AC AW PS PW Sold
 1,960
900 5
[Inspection sheet]




(http://www.cbn.co.jp/syupimg/TK/0484/200611.jpg)
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Post by: J.A. on April 30, 2004, 06:26:09 PM
I meant last night's auction, not couple of weeks ago, But I know what you mean about that gray BNR32, starting bid alone was almost a million yen.

No bidding tonight mate. Plus its going to be the holidays in Japan anyways.

I just wonder if we bid on the same cars....hehehe
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Post by: SAPrez on June 24, 2004, 05:29:02 AM
They might be using the cut/paste method.....Cut out drivetrain, ship engine/car seperately, put back together and register as a kit car...Do you think? I've heard of a couple outfits doing this.....
Just so you all know, I have never tried to be ANYTHING like these ghosts, OS, S53, or N7.....We at SA have regressed to our original model of doing our compliances through MX in the time being until another RI, whoever this is, successfully completes work on a Skyline. I would rather play by the rules than not play at all---especially in the interest of customers and not giving the impression that THESE crooks give.

mB
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Post by: scourge on June 24, 2004, 08:26:38 PM
The thing about a cut-n-paste hob is that the GTR beings too much attention. You can do this with an Integra, Civic, something that has an exact match here in the US. No on would ever notice or care. Plus, you could jsut say that you simply did a dash swap and get away with it.

Some may disagree, but I don't see this as a real crime. GTRs on the other hand, draw too much attention and you're bound to get caught.
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Post by: SAPrez on July 19, 2004, 03:35:51 PM
Quite a few have done it....No one I've heard of has been caught....
For all we know, the R33 on Ebay right now (or both of them) could have been done through this method.....

mB
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Post by: tyndago on July 20, 2004, 05:52:50 AM
It all depends on what you are trying to pass the car off as.


When these guys say the cars are "legal" and they are not - thats defrauding the buyer.

You have multiple levels of legal ramifications.

The guy that gets screwed is the guy that buys it. The 2nd guy that buys it - or further down the line..... by then the importer has probably disappeared.
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Post by: SAPrez on July 20, 2004, 12:56:01 PM
This is true---
Which is why I don't understand how these operations exist....
I don't understand, also, why these operations would WANT to do things the illegal way, rather than on the up and up....
It is hard for me to understand the mindset which would rather work outside and around the law than within it.

mB
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Post by: SAPrez on July 24, 2004, 01:48:09 PM
Here's a good link provided by Mr. Morris....
http://johnbnelson.com/blog/entrys/cameron_s_wieldraayer.htm

enjoy!

mB
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Post by: SAPrez on July 24, 2004, 01:50:11 PM
And this as well

http://johnbnelson.com/blog/entrys/cameron_lawsuit.htm
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Post by: scourge on July 24, 2004, 05:03:58 PM
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Originally posted by tyndago
It all depends on what you are trying to pass the car off as.
 


And this is the problem facing those who jsut want ot bring a car back versus those who want to scam. Me? I'd LOVE to bring back a Nissan Cedric/Gloria.

(http://img121.ac.yahoo.co.jp/users/9/9/6/3/kuroisanrensei777-img600x450-1084422976p5120020.jpg)

LOOK AT THIS CAR! You can get this one and many like it for under $2000 (because Shaken makes these cars worthless). If I could get a car like this in the US, I would be willing to sign any document the government provided that stated the car would forever remain mine and in my possession and that I would never sell the car or give it away under penalty of sever fines and the car being confiscated and crushed or deported.

But, we can't get that because too many hucksters would squirm around the law and screw the rest of us. Some people would be willing to buy non-compliant cars but some some idiots would buy them and them try to sue to seller after trying to skirt the law themselves.

So, the govt just shuts us all down. Personally (and I know some will disagree with me), I just don't have a problem with someone driving around in a JDM car in the US. But, I do have a problem trying to commit fraud.
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Post by: SAPrez on July 24, 2004, 05:38:52 PM
Yes---I agree

I have been infatuated with the Gloria for a little while now....Really wish they could be brought over....I heard that Infiniti brings one over but can't remember what the model number they go as......

I suppose Cameron and his crew are gonna have to be watching their backs even more than before, when Mr. Morris put the fear of God in them.....

mB
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Post by: tyndago on July 24, 2004, 05:52:57 PM
Rules are rules... and we are supposed to follow them.

I really have no problems if there were some kind of way to regulate it all...

Some kind of basic type inspections....  cars built for the rest of the world are not necessarily dangerous....

You can build a kit car and drive it... You can have a T- bucket , a Model A....

They all ready do it for "Show and Display" cars...
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Post by: SAPrez on July 25, 2004, 05:41:23 PM
How ridiculous is the idea of reforming the "vehicle import" statues of the law?

mB
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Post by: tyndago on July 26, 2004, 06:29:34 AM
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Originally posted by SAPrez
How ridiculous is the idea of reforming the "vehicle import" statues of the law?

mB


Its not.... just have to hire some lobbiests for you....

Go to DC. Get some Senators in your pocket....

Took several years for Bill Gates to get the Show or Display though.    Yes - that was for Bill Gates and his 959....

So if you have cash like him - not a problem... just take a little time is all.
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Post by: SAPrez on July 27, 2004, 06:25:02 AM
It's at least another option to add to the list....

mB
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Post by: Todster72 on August 13, 2004, 05:05:14 PM
At the risk of sounding ignorant or asking a question that may have already been asked - here goes!

If i have the vehicle in the US (not legalized) can anyone give me some information on how, if there is a way to get it legalized.  

I contacted Motorex and they told me they have to be the importer of the vehicle in order to "legalize" it - does this sound right to anyone ?

Thanks for any response you may have.

Peace
Todster
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Post by: hisoka on August 13, 2004, 09:53:25 PM
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Originally posted by Todster72
At the risk of sounding ignorant or asking a question that may have already been asked - here goes!

If i have the vehicle in the US (not legalized) can anyone give me some information on how, if there is a way to get it legalized.  

I contacted Motorex and they told me they have to be the importer of the vehicle in order to "legalize" it - does this sound right to anyone ?

Thanks for any response you may have.

Peace
Todster


Yeah that does sound correct. A car that is already in the US can't be legalized by Motorex. I believe it was the bond they have to be on in order to do this. In other words there's no luck on federalizing you car. The only way I can think of to get it legalized is to ship it out of the country and have Motorex import it back here and after that federalize it. Also your car is a 96 so I'm not sure if Motorex can even legalize it if you did do that because they don't have a working OBD II system which any car 96+ is required. Hope that helped a little bit, sorry for the bad news though.

Kiyo
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Post by: celm on August 14, 2004, 02:47:55 AM
Todster72
where di u get your r33 from
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Post by: Todster72 on August 14, 2004, 07:14:07 AM
A friend of mine who owns a business in Tokyo and lives in Arizona imported mine and a 95 R33 GTS25tm for himself - both black market.  I dont know of anyone who has had luck mass importing them though.

Peace
Todster
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Post by: YumGTR on August 14, 2004, 07:40:29 AM
todster you can drive the car to mexico, and have motorex or any other RI that thinks they can conform the car for you file the necessary customs paperwork and bonds, etc... the car would have to then enter the country in their possession and on their bond until NHTSA & EPA release the bond.
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Post by: tyndago on August 20, 2004, 05:44:52 AM
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Originally posted by hisoka
Yeah that does sound correct. A car that is already in the US can't be legalized by Motorex.
Kiyo


Not really true.   If Motorex was legalizing cars.....

Anyway . The required paperwork can be completed with the car still in the country , and the car can be federalized.
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Post by: KodakMoment on October 09, 2004, 07:23:58 PM
We can add MotoRex to the list of scam enterprises now too.


I ****ing hate Hiro......seriously.
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Post by: legalr33 on January 22, 2005, 08:40:38 PM
Why would  a legit company have to change names so many times? Why is it when you ask Mike about Fuel Imports he'll deny any knowledge of it?
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Post by: hisoka on January 23, 2005, 07:50:30 AM
Don't see a VIN on that R33.
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Post by: Streamline on January 28, 2005, 09:14:29 AM
Another scam I'm sure...
http://www.drifting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11795&page=1&pp=15

Anyone care to go there and take him down?
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Post by: tyndago on January 28, 2005, 11:41:13 AM
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Originally posted by Seiz0r
The vin is on the door jam..I didn't think you wanted to see a vin.I think the name changes were because they moved from Florida to New York...Gerry


http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/12feb20041500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/49cfr565.5.htm

"(a) Importers shall utilize the VIN assigned by the original
manufacturer of the motor vehicle.
    (b) A passenger car certified by a Registered Importer under 49 CFR
part 592 shall have a plate or label that contains the following
statement, in characters with a minimum height of 4 mm, with the
identification number assigned by the original manufacturer provided in
the blank: SUBSTITUTE FOR U.S. VIN: ------------ SEE PART 565. The plate
or label shall conform to Sec. 565.4 (h) and (i). The plate or label
shall be permanently affixed inside the passenger compartment. The plate
or label shall be readable, without moving any part of the vehicle,
through the vehicle glazing under daylight lighting conditions by an
observer having 20/20 vision (Snellen) whose eye-point is located
outside the vehicle adjacent to the left windshield pillar. It shall be
located in such a manner as not to cover, obscure, or overlay any part
of any identification number affixed by the original manufacturer.
Passenger cars conforming to Canadian Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 115
are exempt from this paragraph."


So where is the VIN label located then ?

And this car was certified for US sale by an RI that knows the CFR ?

Go home and study the books scam artist.
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Post by: Streamline on February 09, 2005, 07:03:18 AM
Just for your information...this thread (and generally speaking...ALL threads about Skylines entering the US)...are focusing on the 100% street legal (and 50 state approved)  methods to vehicle importation.  

Namely...a vehicle that is imported as a WHOLE vehicle, legalized w/ proper documentation w/ all branches of government AND driveable on US highways.  

Not empty shells and engines shipped seperately.  No show vehicles only.  No race cars.  No empty shells.  Nothing.

You're not bringing any new information that hasn't been thought of before.

Just vehicles that are completely 100% legalized in all 50 states and driven on all US roads/highways.  

That is why this thread is here.  

Please take your "free advertising" elsewhere.
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Post by: legalr33 on February 09, 2005, 09:58:58 AM
yo go boy!!!

hence, my name "legalr33".
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Post by: scourge on February 09, 2005, 03:30:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Streamline
Just for your information...this thread (and generally speaking...ALL threads about Skylines entering the US)...are focusing on the 100% street legal (and 50 state approved)  methods to vehicle importation.  

Namely...a vehicle that is imported as a WHOLE vehicle, legalized w/ proper documentation w/ all branches of government AND driveable on US highways.  

Not empty shells and engines shipped seperately.  No show vehicles only.  No race cars.  No empty shells.  Nothing.

You're not bringing any new information that hasn't been thought of before.

Just vehicles that are completely 100% legalized in all 50 states and driven on all US roads/highways.  

That is why this thread is here.  

Please take your "free advertising" elsewhere.


He sure is a persistent and psychologically unstable little scammer isn't he? But then again, they all screamed their innocence here when they got busted.

Telling tyndago about car importing? Hahahahahaha!:laugh: Kids these days....
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Post by: 2gunsturner on May 12, 2009, 12:44:08 PM
Any business would be happy to ask ex clients for there permission to make contact for a refferance any that dosnt cant have any happy ex clients.