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Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 19, 2011, 01:17:43 PM
So I know its not till the 26th of November however we don't have a thread on this yet that i am aware of and thought i'd chuck some info up

General election key dates
The Prime Minister has today announced that the 2011 general election and referendum on the voting system will be held on 26 November 2011. The key dates for the general election and referendum are:

 
2011 GENERAL ELECTION AND REFERENDUM TIMETABLE
 
Wednesday 2 February
 Prime Minister announces dates for 2011 general election and referendum
 
Monday 30 May
 Launch of enrolment update campaign and voter referendum information campaign
 
Friday 26 August
 Regulated period for election and referendum advertising expenses begins
 
Thursday 20 October      
 Dissolution of Parliament
 
Tuesday 25 October
 Last day for registration of parties/logos with the Electoral Commission
 
Wednesday 26 October
 Writ Day

Governor General issues formal direction to the Electoral Commission to hold the election.

Electoral Rolls close for printing.

Voters enrolled after this date cast special declaration votes.

Candidate and party television and radio advertising may start.
 
Thursday 27 October
 Nominations open

Advertising calling for individual nominations of electorate candidates.
 
Monday 31 October

Noon
 Bulk Nominations

Deadline for registered political parties to bulk nominate their electorate candidates to the Electoral Commission.
 
Tuesday 1 November

Noon
 Party Lists

Deadline for political parties to submit list candidates to the Electoral Commission.
 
Tuesday 1 November

Noon
 Individual Nominations

Deadline for individual nominations of electorate candidates to Returning Officers.
 
Wednesday 2 November

2.00pm target
 Candidate Information                              

Names of all electorate and list candidates released by Electoral Commission. Production of ballot papers begins.
 
Wednesday 2 November

2.00pm target                          
 Polling Place and Advance Voting Place details available

 
 
Wednesday 9 November
 Advance Voting starts in New Zealand

Advance voting available for voters who are away from home or unable to get to a polling place on Election Day.
 
Wednesday 9 November      
 Overseas Voting starts

Overseas voters can download voting papers from http://www.elections.org.nz, vote by post or vote in person at  overseas posts in many countries.  
 
Saturday 19 November
 EasyVote Information Packs available

Information packs with EasyVote card sent to voters enrolled by 19 November.
 
Friday 25 November
 Enrolments Cease

Last day to enrol for the election.

Advance Voting ends
 
Friday 25 November

Midnight
 Regulated period ends

All election and referendum advertising must end and signs must be taken down
 
Saturday 26 November
 Election Day

Polling places open from 9.00am to 7.00pm.

Election Night

Preliminary results released progressively from 7.00pm on http://www.electionresults.govt.nz. Targets for release:

        by 8.30pm  all advance vote results for general election and referendum

        by 10.00pm           general election results from 50% of polling places

        by 11.30pm           general election results from 100% of polling places.

Referendum voting papers will not be counted in polling places on election night to avoid delays to the release of the general election results.
 
Saturday 10 December

2.00pm target
 Official results for general election and referendum declared

(including special declaration votes)
 
Wednesday 14 December
 Deadline for applications for Judicial Recount
 
Wednesday 14 December
 Deadline for Broadcaster Returns of Election Programmes to the Electoral Commission
 
Thursday 15 December
 Return of Writ by Electoral Commission showing successful electorate candidates*
 
Thursday 15 December    
 Declaration of Election of List Members*
 
Thursday 1 March 2012
 Deadline for parties to submit broadcasting accounts to Electoral Commission
 
Friday 16 March 2012
 Deadline for Returns of Party Election Expenses to the Electoral Commission*
 
Monday 26 March 2012
 Deadline for Returns of Third Party Election Expenses to the Electoral Commission
 
Monday 26 March 2012
 Deadline for Returns of Candidate Election Expenses and Donations to Electoral Commission
 
Monday 26 March 2012
 Deadline for Returns of Referendum Expenses to the Electoral Commission


Now as this is only my 2nd election I am still unaware of who actually the lesser of two evils is so I thought we could all have a civil discussion and as SDU is all for voting I'm going to chuck up a private poll

Website links

http://www.national.org.nz
http://www.labour.org.nz
http://www.greens.org.nz
http://www.nzfirst.org.nz
http://www.act.org.nz
http://www.maoriparty.org
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 19, 2011, 01:21:29 PM
I emailed my cousin the other day and hes finally got back to me

"Hi Alan

 

Nice to hear from you. Log on to http://www.national.org.nz as it canvasses some of the topics you mentioned. However:

 

 

On welfare our big focus is of resourcing people into work not staying on the dole.Welfare steps : budget 2011

        $55 milion Youth Employment Package over 4 years, giving opportunities to 13,000 young people.

        $15 million - boost for employment assistance programmes to help more Kiwis into work.

        $10million to support Cantabrians rebuilding their lives and communities on top of $10m already allocated.

 

On tax cuts from 1 October, across-the-board personal tax cuts have put more money in back pockets of hard-working Kiwis.

 

        Since November 2010, the average household was about $25 a week better off, even with GST rising to 15 per cent.

        Someone on the average wage is almost $15 a week better off.

        And a retired couple, living in their own home and receiving NZ Superannuation, is $11 a week better off.

        Since 1 October, New Zealand Superannuation, Working for Families, and benefit payments will increase immediately by 2.02 per cent – to compensate for the rise in GST.

        73 per cent of earners will face a top statutory income tax rate of 17.5 per cent or less.

        To find out how the tax changes will benefit you visit the tax calculator at:  http://www.taxguide.govt.nz

KiwiSaver Changes to KiwiSaver will encourage a higher level of private savings, make the scheme more financially sustainable and build a large pool of local capital.

While KiwiSaver has been very effective in attracting new members, it has done so at a high cost to taxpayers, with the scheme costing the Government over $1 billion a year in subsidies and tax breaks. The  changes will see KiwiSaver funds continue to grow rapidly, but with a larger share of contributions coming from members and employers, and a lower share from the Government. This is expected to raise national savings, as it will reduce the amount the Government is borrowing, largely from foreigners, in order to fund private savings.

Reducing Government borrowing and increasing private contributions to KiwiSaver will also lift national savings. Just over 43 per cent of all KiwSaver contributions to date have been funded by the Government – mainly through Member Tax Credit and Kick-Start payments.  This does not include the Employer Superannuation Contribution Tax exemption which, if counted, would bring the Government’s share closer to 50 per cent.

 

Kiwirail Budget 2011 has committed more than $338 million to improving commuter rail services and supporting KiwiRail to become more commercially viable.

A funding package of $88.4 million over eight years will go towards upgrading and renewing the remainder of the signalling and electric power equipment on the Wellington network.  The Crown commitment, coupled with co-investment from the Greater Wellington Regional Council and previous investment from both parties, will transform the service into a modern reliable commuter option for Wellington. KiwiRail receives the second $250 million tranche of the Government’s $750 million commitment to its Turnaround Plan over three years. The lion’s share of the $4.6 billion Turnaround Plan will be funded by KiwiRail itself from customer revenue during the 10 year plan. The money will be used to continue a range of projects, including new locomotives and wagons, and improvements to the network - particularly on the main trunk route and in the ‘golden triangle’ of Auckland, Hamilton and Tauranga. The Turnaround Plan is about helping KiwiRail to become a more viable nationwide freight participant. “The $4.6 billion turnaround plan combined with investment in the Auckland and Wellington commuter networks means the government is now overseeing a $7 billion investment in rail. This is a huge commitment and National is determined to improve the rail freight network, provide KiwiRail with the opportunity to become commercially viable and support the provision of modern, reliable commuter rail services in Wellington and Auckland.

 

Car laws (Boy racer laws) A bill allowing boy racers cars to be crushed was passed by Parliament on 21 October 2009. The Vehicle Confiscation and Seizure Bill gives courts the power to send cars owned by repeat offenders to the crusher. The bill would also toughen provisions for the seizure of motor vehicles for unpaid fines and strengthen the courts' powers to confiscate motor vehicles. "This bill will hit boy racers where it hurts - by targeting their vehicles." Fines did not work and infringement notices became "badges of honour." Low value cars that were used to commit offences and incur fines would also be seized so they could not be used to commit more offences

 

Bet you don’t like the last one! Hi to your Granddad, I hear he's doing OK.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

 

Hon. Phil Heatley

MP for Whangarei

Minister of Housing

Minister of Fisheries & Aquaculture

 

Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2011 1:21 pm
To: phil.heatley@national.org.nz
Subject: 2011 election

 

Hi Phil


Its coming up on election time again and as this is my 2nd year voting however im alittle lost on who I want to vote for.

 

My current concerns are the following and Im wondering where the national party stand on them

 

The Nz benefit (alittle concerned about how many able bodied people are on it using my tax dollar)

Tax cuts

Kiwi saver

NZ assets ie kiwi rail etc

Any car laws (“boyracer” laws)
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: D1LEMA on July 19, 2011, 01:23:07 PM
Bah ... Politics :bored2dea  lol
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 19, 2011, 01:30:58 PM
......wanker :P

but seriously, if i ran i reckon i'd get votes, on the moustache alone
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 19, 2011, 01:41:37 PM
Quote from: Stalk3r;558659
......wanker :P

but seriously, if i ran i reckon i'd get votes, on the moustache alone


oh hell yes and you know children are the future so someones got to think of them ;)

if no ones worked out today is slow for me :| and seeing as how I got an email back from Phil thought id do some posting

im not sure how many people on here are 18 or older

edit poll for a im not 18 yet option :p? (ok I cant change the poll options)

so anyone under 18 please select the CANDY option lol
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 19, 2011, 01:54:35 PM
youre from wellington, every day is slow for your people, unless its an athletics day, your webbed feet really help you excel at swimming challenges :P
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: s13_jz on July 19, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: Stalk3r;558662
youre from wellington, every day is slow for your people, unless its an athletics day, your webbed feet really help you excel at swimming challenges :P

Lolololol
Ur in with a chance too stalker. Currently tied for first
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 19, 2011, 01:59:59 PM
yeaaaaaa boyeeeeeeeee
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 19, 2011, 02:09:47 PM
Quote from: Stalk3r;558664
yeaaaaaa boyeeeeeeeee


thanks for changing the poll option lol
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Ultimategtr on July 19, 2011, 03:49:34 PM
imho - FU(K Labour.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 19, 2011, 03:56:09 PM
I'm voting for National...its labour's constant whining to the lower economics that people on high wages, investments and trusts should pay more to the country.
Well thats me, for many years I've been classed in the top 5% wage earners, and pay an obscene amount to the government. Apparently Labour thinks thats not fair, that I should pay more, so that those who skive off the government, or simply dont earn enough, can continue to do so, while I work my *** of to pay it all for them.

I want a business loan, can't, cause Im not maori.
I want to go to the doctors, or dentist.  I pay full price cause I earn to much...and my taxes are paying for everyone else in the waiting room on a community services card to be there.
Course I say anything about it, and I'm racist, a snob, or some rich bastard who's complaining about having to pay his fair share.
My fair share is as it works out, is about 10 times the average new zealanders, and why all these people get community grants, free health care, schooling etc etc etc.
But thats just not enough, so now tax my Family Trust that my dad worked his butt off to build for us.

So I'm National...but I'm also leaving the country. Now my 10x tax dollars wont go into the dependents of this country at all. They'll be in another country which will serious increase my cash in hand every month, but I get free medical,health and a retirement fund that actually works.
And the trust, well when that gets liquidated, its to an overseas entity, so its tax free.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 19, 2011, 04:03:18 PM
Quote from: SteveRiellyNZ;558705
I'm voting for National...its labour's constant whining to the lower economics that people on high wages, investments and trusts should pay more to the country.
Well thats me, for many years I've been classed in the top 5% wage earners, and pay an obscene amount to the government. Apparently Labour thinks thats not fair, that I should pay more, so that those who skive off the government, or simply dont earn enough, can continue to do so, while I work my *** of to pay it all for them.

I want a business loan, can't, cause Im not maori.
I want to go to the doctors, or dentist.  I pay full price cause I earn to much...and my taxes are paying for everyone else in the waiting room on a community services card to be there.
Course I say anything about it, and I'm racist, a snob, or some rich bastard who's complaining about having to pay his fair share.
My fair share is as it works out, is about 10 times the average new zealanders, and why all these people get community grants, free health care, schooling etc etc etc.
But thats just not enough, so now tax my Family Trust that my dad worked his butt off to build for us.

So I'm National...but I'm also leaving the country. Now my 10x tax dollars wont go into the dependents of this country at all. They'll be in another country which will serious increase my cash in hand every month, but I get free medical,health and a retirement fund that actually works.
And the trust, well when that gets liquidated, its to an overseas entity, so its tax free.


I may not earn as much as you but it makes me sad that people dont pay there on way I have never been on the benefit and I dont have a student loan however dont say im not keen for people to increase there knowledge/skills but dont waste my dollar getting a degree that you will never use

I hate students that are just on it for the ride grrrrr.
Or people that drink my tax dollar

im all for helping someone when they need a hand but its gotten to a point where the system is taken advantage of
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 19, 2011, 04:21:22 PM
Totally agree...I wouldn't mind so much if the money went where it deserved to be, or go to the people that really needed it.
Its the hundreds of millions that's just been thrown away, with people still holding their hands out for more thats done it for me.
Labour is digging for votes in the social sector that's going to be happy taxing the high achievers for more, and thats the sector that makes the country the money that it has.
Piss them all off, they all leave, guess what.....country has less money than when it started.

I know way to many people that are hiking it to the US and Australia...all earning more than me, cause they know they'll be better off here, and literally wont get spat upon by taxman, opposition government and public because they've made something of themselves.

Personal prediction....10 years this country is going to be third world, unless MMP is abolished, and public and MP's start stop trying to be so PC and actually get the guts to fix the country to what it should be.
Quote from: Shrike;558706
I may not earn as much as you but it makes me sad that people dont pay there on way I have never been on the benefit and I dont have a student loan however dont say im not keen for people to increase there knowledge/skills but dont waste my dollar getting a degree that you will never use

I hate students that are just on it for the ride grrrrr.
Or people that drink my tax dollar

im all for helping someone when they need a hand but its gotten to a point where the system is taken advantage of
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Demco on July 19, 2011, 04:44:30 PM
Im voting No Confidence :finger
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Ultimategtr on July 19, 2011, 04:59:30 PM
Labour will try to put the whole of NZ on the dole. May sound harsh, but National is actually working on improving NZ, which Labour had ****ed with for so long.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: projects on July 19, 2011, 05:13:10 PM
^^ very true. look at how Key has handled our country through such tough times and managed to keep everything going steady. When you compare to other countries around the world National have done well. Goff is just a D!(k and seems to lack professionalism and is constantly shown up by Key. Key has such a good head on him and knows his stuff.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: sonoramicommando on July 19, 2011, 05:14:35 PM
1. we need MMP GONE. The tail s been wagging the dog for far too long.
2. i don't think either major party is capable of making any meaningful changes.
3. that said, i'm going with labour just on CGT. that might be desperation by labour but the loophole's got to be shut.
4. and i'd be hit with top tax rate in a couple of years time but what's 6% difference (less in reality) for someone who can make $150k a year? i'd give that money up for not having to look at john key's smug face on the news day in and day out. i hear he s getting a bit of payback when he's going to hollywood too. i'd rather not have someone who made his fortune in foreign exchange trading as the PM of this country.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 19, 2011, 05:15:46 PM
Totally, I've already lost my apartment to the whole leaky homes things....Labours getting all up in arms about how little the NAT's are doing to fix it, yet it was Labour that cause the problem in the first place.
Labour wants more welfare, which has to be funded from somewhere, namely tax. So all those on welfare vote for them, as NAT's want to get people working again.
KiwiSaver is about saving for retirement, so labour is saying they'll pay for it, when NAT's say there isn't money to pay for it unless you raise tax's...so all those who want a free handout vote labour.

Its pretty easy to see who votes for what party and why when you get down to the economics of it.

And then there's the minor parties, who get all upset they dont get their voices heard to represent their voters....thing is, they got the votes of their supporters.
That's what democracy is, so dont get all upset that you dont get what you want...its not what the majority want.
MMP was the worst decision ever, which it took a couple of elections for people to realise which is why NAT's won by a majority all alone....and what happens, the minor parties like the maori and greenpeace panic because they're not in a position to literally blackmail a major party to get their way.

vent vent vent.....need another beer me thinks.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: sonoramicommando on July 19, 2011, 05:16:37 PM
i wasn't gonna vote but i realised there is a referendum on MMP so i gotta.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 19, 2011, 05:51:22 PM
just remember kids, valuable information, You cant complain about how sh1t the country is if you dont vote, so all those people ticking the " im not going to vote as it makes no difference " option need to seriously reconsider
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: sonoramicommando on July 19, 2011, 06:19:06 PM
^ oh well - don't forget though, the politicians have a nasty habit of changing their minds once they get in power, so there is a good chance you'll make no difference either way.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 19, 2011, 06:38:09 PM
doesnt matter, at least if you vote you have a right to whinge about it, if you dont vote then you cant whinge
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Ethan on July 19, 2011, 06:41:29 PM
i signed up to the maori electorate just for the lulz, but im not even going to vote.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 19, 2011, 06:54:13 PM
As funny as it sounds, what I also like about him..he's a normal bloke.
Just after he was voted in, he did a morning news segment, and he started answering a question with " yea, nah....."

Frikin Legend!!!!  I swear if he didn't have a PR person telling him not too, he'd call ACT and Labour a bunch of uneducated tossers on camera.
Quote from: projects;558715
^^ very true. look at how Key has handled our country through such tough times and managed to keep everything going steady. When you compare to other countries around the world National have done well. Goff is just a D!(k and seems to lack professionalism and is constantly shown up by Key. Key has such a good head on him and knows his stuff.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: ibb& on July 19, 2011, 07:10:21 PM
My vote went to Stalk3r cause he treats my Mum good
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 19, 2011, 07:52:02 PM
Quote from: Ethan;558731
i signed up to the maori electorate just for the lulz, but im not even going to vote.


i suppose, as long as youre not voting for that *** ignorant mother ******* hone harawera then we wont have to track you down and kill you. seriously the amount of irony when he calls white people racist actually genuinely hurts my brain with rage
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SkylineObsession on July 19, 2011, 10:31:00 PM
I'll prolly vote Labour cos i'm a low income earner ($27,000 or so a year) and have no real skills or qualifications to get a better job. So GST/tax etc have a huge effect.

I dunno, maybe i'll just wait and see what fake promises all the major parties are planning, and go with the one i like best.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: phax on July 19, 2011, 10:45:01 PM
national / white collar etc
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: pure_methamphetamachine on July 19, 2011, 11:09:16 PM
SLAVE LABOUR
SMOKE THE GREENS
BULLET MANA
BEACH THE MAORI PARTY


GO NATIONAL

Disclaimer: For the parties in existence I did not mention, you were not worth retaliating to or ripping the p1ss out of, except Act, I like Brash. He has logical policies on racial equality. Brash is cool.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: DeeUnit on July 19, 2011, 11:28:47 PM
National.

I'm a student, but I don't think that the degree I'm doing will equate to nothing; I hope to see myself doing something along the lines of what I'm studying. Sure, not stepping straight out of Uni into a job that will become my career for the next 40 years, I will most likely do something else first.

Write a book maybe, I'm good with words.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: pure_methamphetamachine on July 19, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
Write a NZ History book called Maori's: How to eat your way to owning a nation.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: ibb& on July 19, 2011, 11:49:57 PM
"Maori: How to contribute nothing but expect everything"
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: pure_methamphetamachine on July 20, 2011, 12:10:30 AM
Hey that's not fair. They are the major contributors to crime and welfare queues.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Ultimategtr on July 20, 2011, 07:27:49 AM
Labour was to blame for so many things, eg initiating the dawn raids of overstayers..pack of arseholes!

What I dont understand tho(might not be labours fault??) is WHY do they let a truck load of Pacific islanders into this Island? Most of them would just settle in Otara, GI, and feed off our money.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 20, 2011, 08:19:04 AM
Quote from: SkylineObsession;558784
I'll prolly vote Labour cos i'm a low income earner ($27,000 or so a year) and have no real skills or qualifications to get a better job. So GST/tax etc have a huge effect.

I dunno, maybe i'll just wait and see what fake promises all the major parties are planning, and go with the one i like best.


What do you do?
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 09:10:16 AM
Quote from: Ultimategtr;558802
Labour was to blame for so many things, eg initiating the dawn raids of overstayers..pack of arseholes!

What I dont understand tho(might not be labours fault??) is WHY do they let a truck load of Pacific islanders into this Island? Most of them would just settle in Otara, GI, and feed off our money.


(http://iforce.co.nz/i/mgfaenew.gjo.gif)

the first part of your statement intrigues me, whos the assholes? labour(government) or the overstayers?
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 20, 2011, 09:39:11 AM
I love it how whenever someone says something that is semi true about a race thats not there own its classed as racist (not all pacific islanders etc do this) but is it racist to say when has been seen coming from the main demographic

I'm not racist I hate everyone equally I dont care if your
White
Black
Brown
orange
yellow
blue
purple
or red with green poka dots

In saying that I like white girls :p guess I must be racist because of my personal preference and im discriminating because I'm not interested in other girls which means im not an equal rights person. /rant

if two equals go for a job both have the same skills etc ones white ones black if I was hiring I would hire the white guy due to the fact im white and my empathy is more with him as are cultural beleifs are more in line

its the same thing if I was black i would hire the black person

(flame me if you want im not being very good at explaining it)
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Ultimategtr on July 20, 2011, 09:42:37 AM
I meant the overstayers.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: ibb& on July 20, 2011, 09:53:39 AM
Nigga das rasis
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 10:18:19 AM
Quote from: Shrike;558816
I love it how whenever someone says something that is semi true about a race thats not there own its classed as racist (not all pacific islanders etc do this) but is it racist to say when has been seen coming from the main demographic

I'm not racist I hate everyone equally I dont care if your
White
Black
Brown
orange
yellow
blue
purple
or red with green poka dots

In saying that I like white girls :p guess I must be racist because of my personal preference and im discriminating because I'm not interested in other girls which means im not an equal rights person. /rant

if two equals go for a job both have the same skills etc ones white ones black if I was hiring I would hire the white guy due to the fact im white and my empathy is more with him as are cultural beleifs are more in line

its the same thing if I was black i would hire the black person

(flame me if you want im not being very good at explaining it)


i dunno whether that was directed at me or not but i was being sarcastic with my image you *** :P
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 20, 2011, 10:19:26 AM
Quote from: Stalk3r;558822
i dunno whether that was directed at me or not but i was being sarcastic with my image you *** :P


your all good i had a laugh at the pic its just annoying that if I say the N word even in context I get labeled as racist
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 10:43:44 AM
well it is kinda a derogatory term
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 20, 2011, 10:45:52 AM
Quote from: Stalk3r;558827
well it is kinda a derogatory term


only if you use it as such I have never called anyone a N its the same as saying Fuc*

its just a word and its only hurtfull if its used with that intent
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 20, 2011, 11:30:31 AM
The Maori party is the only racist party we have, oh nope, now there's mana/hoke dude.
WE want this, we want that, don't say we can't cause your racist.

Put a marae on school grounds is equality and culturally  sensitive. Suggest a church, your racist.
They even tried to change the name back in the day of the All Whites, cause its racist, until someone pointed out we'll have to change the All Blacks too....and they back tracked damn fast.

Racial inequality in the country is being cause by the smallest demographic, minor race in the country, but the loudest at complaining and wanting a handout.

You could see how much they freaked out the last election, when NAT's were winning by a landslide. They realized if they didn't change tack, they were going to have no voice at all.

Now with MMP on the line, they'll quickly realise if they dont change their ways, next election, everyone with a majority voice will be so sick of the complaining and whining of labour, maori, greenpeace etc, will vote to get rid of it, and put NAT in power by the droves.

Voting for labour for GST and TAX isn't going to work, as if they actually had any sense, they wont be able to out these cuts onto practice...there isn't the economy to back it up, and the government just cant afford it.

If anything, get a part time job, go back to school on a student loan. Use the slow economy to upskill, so that when you come out the other side, your newly skilled, with actual work experience, and prime for a decent job.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 20, 2011, 11:39:52 AM
Quote from: SteveRiellyNZ;558838
The Maori party is the only racist party we have, oh nope, now there's mana/hoke dude.
WE want this, we want that, don't say we can't cause your racist.

Put a marae on school grounds is equality and culturally  sensitive. Suggest a church, your racist.
They even tried to change the name back in the day of the All Whites, cause its racist, until someone pointed out we'll have to change the All Blacks too....and they back tracked damn fast.

Racial inequality in the country is being cause by the smallest demographic, minor race in the country, but the loudest at complaining and wanting a handout.

You could see how much they freaked out the last election, when NAT's were winning by a landslide. They realized if they didn't change tack, they were going to have no voice at all.

Now with MMP on the line, they'll quickly realise if they dont change their ways, next election, everyone with a majority voice will be so sick of the complaining and whining of labour, maori, greenpeace etc, will vote to get rid of it, and put NAT in power by the droves.

Voting for labour for GST and TAX isn't going to work, as if they actually had any sense, they wont be able to out these cuts onto practice...there isn't the economy to back it up, and the government just cant afford it.

If anything, get a part time job, go back to school on a student loan. Use the slow economy to upskill, so that when you come out the other side, your newly skilled, with actual work experience, and prime for a decent job.


Not being mean but there are lots of people on the dole who think working a part time job at say maccas or kfc is beneath them.

I have never been without a job hell I temped and worked for a year on just above minimum wage theres work out there and always oppurtunitys you just have to get off your *** and find/look for them

I changed jobs 6times in the last 2-3years upskilling myself everychance I got making contacts etc from my last job to this one I went up 7k a year not including my perks/bonus etc

yes I have a qulification but I didnt use it once when I was labouring

Edit anyone that has issue finding work if your in wellington pm me and ill give you some hints and give you some contacts
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: DeeUnit on July 20, 2011, 11:59:27 AM
I'm not one for supporting Maori and their "expect everything" attitude, but they got royally ****ed back where all these problems originated in the 1840s.

So what if they are only just developing the sense to do something politically in the past decade? Land marches in the 70s and 80s, introduction of Maori seats into Parliament in the late 90s, ****s only just starting to be done about stuff that should have been dealt with years ago.

So no, they do deserve a whole heap of what they are claiming, you can't deny any of it. It's just a case now of "want want want" more than what they actually deserve.

And if you disagree with that, an edumacation on the matter might be what you need.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 20, 2011, 12:30:03 PM
Deserve is an interest position. They sold land for what it was worth then, and what they wanted, it was war, its the way the world works. No different than selling land now.
Yes, some of it was taken during wars....just like what the Maori did to the Moriori.
Maoris want their land back, saying it was forcibly taken from them....Moriori want there's back, maori say they lost it by conquest and have no rights to it.
Complete double standards that get swept under the carpet as fast as possible.

My family used to own property in Ponsonby generations back, and it wasn't worth that much...what do you think would happen if I complained and wanted more money now?

If people want it to be fair, and what people deserve, the door swings both ways....but it doesn't, its the hypocrisy that wrecks.
I'm well educated on the subject....but the complete subject, not just the parts that are convenient to my position.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: BADHAB|T on July 20, 2011, 12:42:03 PM
I try and restrain myself from commenting on politics on the net cos it can so easily turn into a sh|tstorm....
But, I vote Steve and Psy for prime minister!! You can both share the role :)
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: sonoramicommando on July 20, 2011, 12:50:56 PM
funny you dont see too many maoris or polys in tertiary courses with "real" value to the society, i.e. engineering, science and commerce (i do have my doubts if its "value-adding vocation" though) etc. they like to go to law school and political stuff.
and another thing, i'd like to see whatever compo maoris get go to the people, rather than fatcat lawyers and politicians. i wonder how much of treaty settlement goes to the real disadvantaged. yes, maoris did get the royal rodgering back in the days, but how far back in history do you have to go back? sometimes, you have to wipe the slate clean and start fresh regardless who got rodgered and how badly. like the situation they have in middle east, between israel and the arab nations - each side has to cut losses somewhere, compromise and move on. some people might say israel shouldnt even be there as a nation in the first place. others would say they are in their rightful homeland after thousands of years wondering around the world.
i ll be the first to admit that nz has been way far too left leaning for my liking in recent labour governments, but without its fundamental principle of social responsibility, some of us would be forever picking oakum living hand to mouth, unless parents were filthy rich to begin with.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 20, 2011, 12:51:59 PM
Haha...aint that the truth. It always goes down the drain really quickly as people can be very passionate on the subject. Problem is with many is that blinds them to the facts, and its "blinkers on....charge!!"

Greenpeace is like that...if you actually read up on what they stood for, a lot of it makes sense, and is a really good idea.
What they dont do is balance it with economic sense...they have a very much all or nothing approach, and that's why the public are getting sick of hearing about how I should be a feeling bad for not suffering through the cold, or not using heating to be comfortable, for the sake of the tree's.

Id last in power for a very short time, mainly as I shoot straight from the hip and tell it how it is, regardless if someones feels hard done by because they're not getting what they want.
Getting this country back on track isn't hard really...its the constant bitching about it thats making it difficult.

Quote from: BADHAB|T;558854
I try and restrain myself from commenting on politics on the net cos it can so easily turn into a sh|tstorm....
But, I vote Steve and Psy for prime minister!! You can both share the role :)
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 01:30:41 PM
how about we make the thread about politics and views on politics rather than a thread containing nothing but

"hey isnt it funny when $Race does $stereotype, Man $Race, you so crazy"

keep it on track or ill get rid of this one too
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: sonoramicommando on July 20, 2011, 01:48:10 PM
^ you can never separate race and politics in NZ. its just as absurd to think that voting gives you the right to whinge.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 01:55:55 PM
of course it does, if youve at least tried to make the change by voting then you can whinge, if youve sat there with your thumb up yo *** saying " my vote wont make a difference wah wah" youve done nothing to actually try other than whinging

also theres a huge difference between discussing racial representation in government and flat out generalisations of racism, clearly you need to figure this out because youre not getting it

my earlier post is saying simply dont make the thread racism orientated or i will get rid of it
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 20, 2011, 01:59:51 PM
Edit don't worry
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 02:01:50 PM
what race poll ? :) (im being facetious because people clearly dont get what im tryiing to say so im going to start spelling it out in clear cabbage proof wording, your thread was removed before it turned into something not ok)
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Shrike on July 20, 2011, 02:10:57 PM
hence why I said mods please remove if its un pc I was taking the pi**
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 02:15:48 PM
yea, so i did :) no hard feelings etc
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: DeeUnit on July 20, 2011, 04:24:38 PM
Quote from: SteveRiellyNZ;558849
Deserve is an interest position. They sold land for what it was worth then, and what they wanted, it was war, its the way the world works. No different than selling land now.
Yes, some of it was taken during wars....just like what the Maori did to the Moriori.
Maoris want their land back, saying it was forcibly taken from them....Moriori want there's back, maori say they lost it by conquest and have no rights to it.
Complete double standards that get swept under the carpet as fast as possible.

My family used to own property in Ponsonby generations back, and it wasn't worth that much...what do you think would happen if I complained and wanted more money now?

If people want it to be fair, and what people deserve, the door swings both ways....but it doesn't, its the hypocrisy that wrecks.
I'm well educated on the subject....but the complete subject, not just the parts that are convenient to my position.


That's an interesting take on it all.

I'd like to take a moment and talk about the politics of it all :). For one, the Maori did not sell their rightful land(as hunters and gatherers, as it was classified back then that to be the rightful owner, you had to hunt and provide for your family) for what it was worth; more towards what the Crown wanted to pay for it. You could relate it to the movie "District 9", where the Aliens in question sell their machines and guns for what could be worth billions, all for catfood, because that is the only sort of currency they understood. To Maori, the Crown could have offered them fancy beads, cured meats and assets like that, it would still be a viable source of currency. Now, the Crown took advantage of this, and bought areas of land worth tens of thousands of pounds, for a few hundred.

This is all coupled with, and backed by, the fact that there is no one true Treaty of Waitangi; to boil it down to basics there are two completely different texts, one in Maori(written by interpreters) and one in English. Don't even get me started on the many variations of both texts as it circulated the Country obtaining signatures by the Chiefs of a majority of the tribes (note: majority), if you could call little swirls, crosses or dots signatures.

So yes, the native Maori were taken advantage of from the 1860s onwards. Not before hand mind you, for the Maori population exceeded that of the Pakeha, and that would be suicide to try and take on a force larger than what you have. Wait until the gold rush era, where the Pakeha population in the South Island vastly exceeds that of the North, and the true ambitions of the Settlers becomes clear.


I could talk for hours on this; I did a paper on this single subject with Prof. Michael Belgrave(formerly a member of the Waitangi Tribunal during its hey-days in the 70s) last semester, and know a thing or two :).
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: DeeUnit on July 20, 2011, 04:26:53 PM
Quote from: Stalk3r;558865
of course it does, if youve at least tried to make the change by voting then you can whinge, if youve sat there with your thumb up yo *** saying " my vote wont make a difference wah wah" youve done nothing to actually try other than whinging

also theres a huge difference between discussing racial representation in government and flat out generalisations of racism, clearly you need to figure this out because youre not getting it

my earlier post is saying simply dont make the thread racism orientated or i will get rid of it


I would hardly say this thread is race-based; politics in New Zealand is becoming marginally race-based, there are not two things you could discuss without relating it to issues in the past.

I say let the thread run its course, and if there is any outright racism act accordingly, otherwise let people have their say :)
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Zanthiath on July 20, 2011, 05:13:55 PM
I just hope MMP is ditched so the country can make so progress finally.
I like Don Brash's idea of Everyone is equal. No special anything for anyone.
Ill be Voting National as i want the Economy to get back cranking so people have jobs to progress in. Labour forgets how much debt the country is in.
As for the Maori stuff, my opinions are the same as Psymin and Steve
And yes i am educated on it, growing up in Rotorua we were forced to learn there history crap. They were so awesome they hadnt even invented the Wheel
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 05:18:43 PM
Quote from: DeeUnit;558892
and if there is any outright racism act accordingly, otherwise let people have their say :)



you mean, my point exactly? if so great you have mastered reading comprehension 101 :)
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: DeeUnit on July 20, 2011, 05:46:14 PM
Quote from: Stalk3r;558900
you mean, my point exactly? if so great you have mastered reading comprehension 101 :)


Slipped my mind that people wouldn't use common sense and not partake in racial slurs on a car forum.



Ma bad
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: Stalk3r on July 20, 2011, 06:07:29 PM
Agreed, however a point to note for future reference, is it still called common sense when its no longer common to have sense?
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: DeeUnit on July 20, 2011, 06:46:10 PM
Quote from: Stalk3r;558911
Agreed, however a point to note for future reference, is it still called common sense when its no longer common to have sense?


Mind=blown
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 20, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
Quote from: DeeUnit;558891

This is all coupled with, and backed by, the fact that there is no one true Treaty of Waitangi; to boil it down to basics there are two completely different texts, one in Maori(written by interpreters) and one in English. Don't even get me started on the many variations of both texts as it circulated the Country obtaining signatures by the Chiefs of a majority of the tribes (note: majority), if you could call little swirls, crosses or dots signatures.


That is one part that always has interested me, and personally, yes I do agree. There's been a very simplification of the "facts and history", which much, does not make sense.
To actually for once make some headway, and frankly, just get on with it, a line has to be drawn in the sand.
From some point, all before is written off, and the NAT's, Labour, Maori, etc parties just agree, "here" is the the new starting point.
We have to finally as a country stop dealing with the past, which was over 100 years ago, and just get back on track....cause as it is, the track is very quickly falling further and further behind the economic climate that we should be playing in.

Yes, race and politics do go hand in hand, but only because we, the public, and the politicians (please vote for me cause I like my perks ) have let it get that way. Unfortunately there isn't really an effective way for the general public to actually speak for the public good, except through a political party.
The once people are voted in, they can't help but let their own personal feelings get involved in the decision making, when the reality is, that's not what they are there for.

Politicians are a voice for the people, but they consistently push their own personal agenda. There's just no way to change that under the current system of government, and realistically, that's just the way it is.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: DeeUnit on July 20, 2011, 09:58:31 PM
Quote from: SteveRiellyNZ;558957
That is one part that always has interested me, and personally, yes I do agree. There's been a very simplification of the "facts and history", which much, does not make sense.
To actually for once make some headway, and frankly, just get on with it, a line has to be drawn in the sand.
From some point, all before is written off, and the NAT's, Labour, Maori, etc parties just agree, "here" is the the new starting point.
We have to finally as a country stop dealing with the past, which was over 100 years ago, and just get back on track....cause as it is, the track is very quickly falling further and further behind the economic climate that we should be playing in.

Yes, race and politics do go hand in hand, but only because we, the public, and the politicians (please vote for me cause I like my perks ) have let it get that way. Unfortunately there isn't really an effective way for the general public to actually speak for the public good, except through a political party.
The once people are voted in, they can't help but let their own personal feelings get involved in the decision making, when the reality is, that's not what they are there for.

Politicians are a voice for the people, but they consistently push their own personal agenda. There's just no way to change that under the current system of government, and realistically, that's just the way it is.


Completely agree, gotta stop dwelling on the past and sort of say "Hey, we know the Crown ****ed up royally back in the day, and unfortunately we (the government) now have to clean it up. Let's start from *insert date/legislation/land grants/money grants to iwi* here, let bygones be bygones and continue to move forward as one people, as a nation."

But that isn't going to happen with half-wit counter-racists like Hone Harawera, who get backed by those he cons into thinking that Maori have never really been compensated for the past mistakes. Hello? Like **** they have. Amendments to a majority of past legislations have been made, Waitangi Tribunal FINALLY started to make headway in the 70s and started to dish out money left right and center, aswell as key debates such as the Seabed and Foreshore act, Sealord Fisheries act, etc etc.

I think that abolishing the Maori seats altogether personally is a beneficial step for NZ. Making a seat based on race is in no way acceptable, it screams out in favour of what the government is trying to abolish.

But hey, what do I know.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 27, 2011, 12:16:46 PM
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/polls/5344291/National-Party-could-govern-alone
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: live4liners on July 27, 2011, 05:06:47 PM
wow. this sure was a long read. so i didnt read it :)
ill be voting national. its a shame brash isnt still with national, act wont make use of him.
labour ran this country into what? $15b debt?
if they get back in, im going to aus.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: M SPEC GTR on July 27, 2011, 08:37:28 PM
What I dont get with NZ is the lack of spine we have as a work force. We dont back ourselves. We just stand back and take it. We turn on ourselves when workers think they are worth something. Look at the Hobbit BS.
Then its, NZ sux Im FN of to Aus.... Can get 3 times what I get here...........
I look over the ditch to Aus and see workers looking after their fellow brothers/sisters, not just themselves. Which in turn protects wages and conditions for the next person.
And here we are still willing to shaft the guy working beside us to make a buck...
National is NOT for the worker. Its for the end dollar.....at the expence of the workers conditions and standed of living.
When national took over the country there was NO DEBT!!!
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: BADHAB|T on July 27, 2011, 08:41:16 PM
Quote from: M SPEC GTR;560512

When national took over the country there was NO DEPT!!!


Firstly... deBt

....and yes there was!! Uncle Helen ran this country in to the ground. John Key is now the one trying to fix her screw ups without killing the country. Well, to her they weren't screw ups, she had an agenda.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 27, 2011, 08:57:56 PM
That, and the Hobbit BS, was actually caused by Aussie Unions wanting to get in on the cash cow and trying to cause problems here so the studio's would consider moving it.
Backfired nicely, and the unions came out scathed and bruised and pretty much told to sod of back under their rocks where they belong.

Frankly, taking off to aus is the easy way out to big money...and why not? You can kick and scream and claw for only so long before you simply think "WTF am I doing this for?", pack up and make the move. I've yet to meet anyone who didn't think it was the best move they ever made.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: M SPEC GTR on July 27, 2011, 09:26:58 PM
"Backfired nicely, and the unions came out scathed and bruised and pretty much told to sod of back under their rocks where they belong"
Exactly the NZ attitude Steve.
Also check on the under cutting branch of Qantas trying to employe NZers at a lesser rate than the Aussies. Then look at how the aussies stuck together to protect their jobs.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 27, 2011, 09:36:14 PM
Yep, I have no problems banging down on a greedy union who were trying to do nothing more than grab what they could for themselves.
When it came down to it, they were proven to be completely wrong, manipulating the media, and nearly screwing the whole thing up for the country.
The tax payer ended up paying more after the government stepped in to salvage it all with bigger tax breaks and benefits.
NZ's wanna-be "celebs" even ran for cover after it became apparent what was really going on.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: sonoramicommando on July 28, 2011, 07:51:34 AM
now how is it the union's fault that govt decided to be a pussy and cave into whatver WB demanded. if any one is at fault for tax payers footing the tax breaks etc  its 1) greedy WB & 2) spineless government to please the hollywood fatcats (and that sort of worked out well for john key, with him get to have some fancy lunch last week, didnt it?)
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 28, 2011, 01:29:07 PM
Cause everything was cruisey until the unions got involved? They started making demands saying they were speaking for the cast, when the producers were coming back saying they were prepared to meet and talk about it.....yet the unions kept complaining.
Hence when the real story came out, the cast started to distance themselves from the unions, and the producers looked at options to film....its a business, they have options, and thats what they aussie union wanted to cause, and grab the business for themselves.

Tax breaks and benefits are common practice, aussie unions sticking their nose into the NZ film industry isn't, and thats why it backfired and cost NZ more than it needed to in the first place.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: sonoramicommando on July 28, 2011, 03:04:27 PM
someone's born yesterday with a silver spoon in mouth
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 28, 2011, 04:26:42 PM
Haha....far from it. My dad and his dad before him and before him etc were all armed services. Worked and in some cases fought and died to get where we are now.
Me, I've worked hard to get where I am, so not born with it, I earned my silver spoon the hard way....then again I am involved with big business, massive global IT companies and government departments in a few countries, so I know how the real world works.
Far from the bleating hand out's everyone know and loves in the media.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: b00stinz on July 28, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Quote from: SteveRiellyNZ;560724
Haha....far from it. My dad and his dad before him and before him etc were all armed services. Worked and in some cases fought and died to get where we are now.
Me, I've worked hard to get where I am, so not born with it, I earned my silver spoon the hard way....then again I am involved with big business, massive global IT companies and government departments in a few countries, so I know how the real world works.
Far from the bleating hand out's everyone know and loves in the media.


You sound like someone who we could pay to have someone else "removed"

Will PM for details.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: sonoramicommando on July 29, 2011, 07:12:20 AM
Quote from: SteveRiellyNZ;560724
Haha....far from it. My dad and his dad before him and before him etc were all armed services. Worked and in some cases fought and died to get where we are now.
Me, I've worked hard to get where I am, so not born with it, I earned my silver spoon the hard way....then again I am involved with big business, massive global IT companies and government departments in a few countries, so I know how the real world works.
Far from the bleating hand out's everyone know and loves in the media.


jokes bro ha ha - when it comes to political views and religious beliefs, its best to agree to disagree.
good on you for working your way up. def need more of your kind.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: SteveRiellyNZ on July 29, 2011, 11:21:13 AM
Quote from: b00stinz;560731
You sound like someone who we could pay to have someone else "removed"

Will PM for details.


Haha...I think I'm quickly running out of favors, but I still have a few resources at my disposal.

It's been a while since I've been able to use the "Blue Lane" at the airport, and last time into Adelaide I even got sent down the red lane...all by myself.
Fortunately the guy there wasn't to keen on being there either so basically waved me through.
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: g8emup on October 04, 2011, 07:26:16 PM
lol iv never voted in my life HAHAHHAHAHA
Title: 2011 Election year
Post by: BADHAB|T on October 04, 2011, 07:27:44 PM
Quote from: g8emup;575202
lol iv never voted in my life HAHAHHAHAHA


Why is that funny?
Voting is a good thing...