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Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on November 12, 2013, 08:53:58 PM
Hey guys! Thought i'd actually start posting seeing as I've attended the friday night meets at least once since 2011 :dude

Here is my 1988 A31 Cefiro. These first pictures are dated back to 2011 when I purchased the car.

#001
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#002
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#004
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#005
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/980621_10152388454287796_1536384964_o.jpg)

Within a year of owning the car, I finally got around to getting the boot lid changed. I had always wanted to have a spoiler-less Cefiro as the factory spoilers are not my thing really. But turns out it was a good reason I changed the boot lid. (iMantisNZ had posted one of these pictures in the Friday Night Meets post). Pictures were taken early 2011. (Can't quite remember tbh)

#007
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#008
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#009
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1397052_10152388452917796_1530891104_o.jpg)

The next year or two after than I had no time to spend doing anything on it as it was off the road. Had a '88 Nissan Sentra as a daily while the Cefiro was off the road, then sold that and used the Cefiro until it started having overheating issues. Which then lead to the purchase of a '92 Nissan Pulsar for a daily. I was attending MIT and had a kid on the way. But when I had the time and money to chuck in a new good for those emergency corner manoeuvres, or handbrakies (it does poor handbrakies, darn you drum hand brake design!). Pictures were taken during May 2013

#010
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#011
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With the luck I have, Dad purchased a GTI-R powered T4 P10 Primera and managed to score 2 sets of 17x7 mags which I managed to score myself a set. But with the factory Cefiro shocks being ridiculously high risen as they are, the new mags turned out like this:

#012
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The car was unmistakeably too high for even the eldest of women, so she needs to have her ankles lopped off and her shin bones completely removed. I tracked down some standard S13 shocks with King springs (super lows I guess). Now with my wedding a few weeks away, she began to take form of a really mint looking Cefiro:

#013
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And with a chassis rail elevation of only 105mm, possibly higher. I have yet to measure since changing the tire size on the rear. (Got some free 225/45r17s from No Cams Motorsport in East Tamaki as a placeholder. Bit bald but my cousin works at Advantage Tyres Otahuhu and chucked them on for me. Haven't been picked up, even at that Friday Night meet!

#014
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1398013_10152388482222796_973246015_o.jpg)

And that's all i've done to her so far. Next thing on the list is saving up for a manual conversion. I'm a diploma graduate and having 1 year of degree under my belt, having to drop out of tertiary education is a bit of a set back on my studies, but hoping to find a position in IT (networking) so I can pour more funds into her (and my family, but lets be honest, the cefiro is family too :))
Title: just another A31
Post by: Aubrey107 on November 13, 2013, 09:13:43 AM
Good work so far man! Just a question, thats a cefiro handbrake console your using aye? not an r32?
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on November 13, 2013, 11:33:53 AM
Nice work man, was good to see another one down there the other night, did you just pick up the bootlid of Trademe?

Quote from: Aubrey107;622347
Good work so far man! Just a question, thats a cefiro handbrake console your using aye? not an r32?


yea mate its a factory Cefiro/Laurel console from around the 1990 model.
Title: just another A31
Post by: b00stinz on November 13, 2013, 11:53:19 AM
Welcome to SDU, cool cef! I understand IT pays quite well so you'll be sorted!
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on November 13, 2013, 01:33:33 PM
Quote from: Aubrey107;622347
Good work so far man! Just a question, thats a cefiro handbrake console your using aye? not an r32?

Yup. Also have a factory manual gearstick surround sitting here waiting for the car to be converted so i can use. already got a shopping list started with pricing.

Quote from: A31_25DET;622348
Nice work man, was good to see another one down there the other night, did you just pick up the bootlid of Trademe?

Yea lol, bought it off some guy out west auckland way, chucked it on. i have been in 2 minds whether to paint it. the mis-matched bootlid kinda looks cool lol. it's unique :P

Quote from: b00stinz;622349
Welcome to SDU, cool cef! I understand IT pays quite well so you'll be sorted!

Haha yeah when they give me a freaking job. Too many wanting experience when I'm just a fresh graduate pretty much with barely any commercial experience.
Title: just another A31
Post by: b00stinz on November 13, 2013, 02:27:10 PM
I feel your pain, I'm currently looking for engineering internships :( Same deal
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on November 13, 2013, 09:13:48 PM
Quote from: b00stinz;622356
I feel your pain, I'm currently looking for engineering internships :( Same deal


Yeah it's pretty crap. Putting the Cefiro on hold in terms of the manual conversion. Should put that in my CV, maybe employers with real taste in cars might take a liking to that little point :)
Title: just another A31
Post by: Demco on November 21, 2013, 10:36:46 PM
welcome dude
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on November 29, 2013, 01:47:01 PM
So I took the car for it's first WOF since I put in the S13 shocks and king springs. Flew through on everything EXCEPT the park lights, rear lights and reg plate lights don't illuminate when the lights are turned on (suspected broken headlight switch on steering column) and a nasty rust hole on the right rear sill in front of the rear right wheel well. To be honest, I even asked the guy (at Drivesure Papakura, opposite Pak n Sav) whether the height off the ground was an issue and he said it was all right so YAY!

Also found some more rust which I'm personally getting annoyed with. Rusty Passenger A pillar (had it professionally fixed before windscreen was replaced but they've done a **** job) and it seems the rear bottom window frame is rusty (again, had it also professionally fixed). Starting to see an issue with both cheap and expensive rust repair.

And the mrs is getting tired of all the rust issues. And getting stick from the mother-in-law about it being an old car... but she drives a '92 honda civic sedan... sigh...
Title: just another A31
Post by: Aubrey107 on December 29, 2013, 10:43:26 AM
For the handbrake conversion did you use the r32 handbrake mounting bracket that is spot welded to the chassis or just use bolts to secure it down ?
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on December 30, 2013, 08:26:27 AM
Mine has just used two bolts through the floor, make sure you put some sort of plate on either side of the hole to give it some stability.
Title: just another A31
Post by: westybob on January 16, 2014, 12:34:16 PM
Quote from: promaori;622751


Also found some more rust which I'm personally getting annoyed with. Rusty Passenger A pillar (had it professionally fixed before windscreen was replaced but they've done a **** job) and it seems the rear bottom window frame is rusty (again, had it also professionally fixed). Starting to see an issue with both cheap and expensive rust repair.

And the mrs is getting tired of all the rust issues. And getting stick from the mother-in-law about it being an old car... but she drives a '92 honda civic sedan... sigh...

I know cheap and nasty seem to go together but paying a lot of money is no guarantee of quality either. I travelled a long way from home to get some rust repairs done (rust cut out and metal welded in) at a relatively low price  by Mark from Apache Panelbeaters and he was very confidence inspiring (I guess time will tell). Do you want to PM me with the name of your unsatisfactory repairer please?
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 23, 2014, 07:06:25 PM
Quote from: Aubrey107;623308
For the handbrake conversion did you use the r32 handbrake mounting bracket that is spot welded to the chassis or just use bolts to secure it down ?

I got my mate to MIG weld it to the floor pan, figured since it's a handbrake conversion, i'm never going to convert it back so did it the best way possible first time. Lines up sweet to, just made sure it sat nicely in the groove on the tunnel, and overlapping the seam between the gearstick tunnel and the floor pan (you'll know which seam i'm talking about)

Quote from: westybob;623540
I know cheap and nasty seem to go together but paying a lot of money is no guarantee of quality either. I travelled a long way from home to get some rust repairs done (rust cut out and metal welded in) at a relatively low price  by Mark from Apache Panelbeaters and he was very confidence inspiring (I guess time will tell). Do you want to PM me with the name of your unsatisfactory repairer please?

I'm not too sure of the name of the guy who exactly did it, but I will PM you with the guy who did it. I might have paperwork on the work done lying around somewhere. I try to keep as much of the documentation of professional work as possible since I find trusting such places quite difficult. (Dad took his Primera's to a few panel beaters hoping for awesome work but either panel work was crap or their painting was atrocious.

EDIT* Well... I'm looking at whereabouts it was, 116 Cavendish Drive Manukau. I don't think they're there anymore. But I'm fairly sure the guys were like next door. I'll try and find the paperwork.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 24, 2014, 04:53:35 PM
So this just happened today... Massive rock vs. Cefiro headlight =

(http://i.imgur.com/1yXYsfol.jpg)

Was kicked up by a truck as I was heading into Albany on my way to Waiwera beach for a couple of hours. Saw it hit the front of the car and my heart stopped, and then a few choice words came out after...

And in other news, I am looking for an A31 Cefiro headlight similar to the one in the photo with the ribbed headlight frame.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 28, 2014, 09:15:18 PM
Managed to score a list of parts I can use for a manual conversion. Seems to be a nice amount of parts. Probably took a total of $250 off the price of my conversion, although whether I can use all of it is yet to be seen.

-RB25 manual driveshaft (front half) (he said it matched the splines on an RB25 g/box)
-Clutch Master Cyl.
-Clutch Slave Cyl. x2 (one of them apparently had the internals pushed out by an idiot pushing clutch in whilst cyl. wasn't installed fully.
-Braided clutch line
-Clutch pressure plate
-Clutch (fairly worn afaik, flaking off slightly)
-6-bolt flywheel with the 5/6 bolts to engine (would consider brand new bolts)

Not totally sure as to what else I need but will get there.
Title: just another A31
Post by: Aubrey107 on January 28, 2014, 09:19:32 PM
nice, how long till manual converted? Still saving for mine, but keep on buying car parts :/
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 28, 2014, 09:32:56 PM
Quote from: Aubrey107;623788
nice, how long till manual converted? Still saving for mine, but keep on buying car parts :/

till I can get a financial break to purchase the parts I need, unless a mint deal on the parts I need turn up on the FB car parts pages :P Not going to begin converting until I have all the parts since it's my daily driver. i'd be really keen to finish the conversion this year as my gearbox shudder is getting worse. i can't help wanting to hear an RB in the 5k-8k RPM range, even if it's an automatic cefiro with std. exhaust.

which reminds me, i can't remember if I informed, but I picked up a 2.5" in, 3" out big bore for $50 and a bottle of V. xForce muffler.
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on January 29, 2014, 08:41:45 AM
Quote from: promaori;623683
So this just happened today... Massive rock vs. Cefiro headlight =

(http://i.imgur.com/1yXYsfol.jpg)



did you manage to find a new headlight? keen to steel this if you no longer have a use for it? want to try the lense on my block lights :)

as for things left to pick up for manual conversion,

-Gearbox (who would have thought ha)
-Manual Pedal box
-Manual gearbox crossmember

Auto one will work but you can only get 1 bolt in each side instead of 2 so would only recommend as a temporary fix, plus will fail wof and they may even tell you to get cert whereas if you have the manual crossmember no one will know.

depending on how far you want to go with it, gauge cluster in the dash could be changed to get rid of the auto drive lights :)
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 29, 2014, 10:56:51 AM
What about release bearing and arm as well as the tunnel boot for the gearstick? I have a google docs spreadsheet with the parts I think I need. I cant remember if ive posted it before :/

Here it is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am3c2UCUwYbddHduRE9QZk1uUFQ4WU5XcFpTWFZjNHc&usp=docslist_api
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on January 29, 2014, 12:07:09 PM
depending on where you get the gearbox, clutch fork might come with it, not sure what you mean by release bearing arm?

and yea you will need a release bearing unless you buy a aftermarket clutch kit as it will come with one. (don't waste your time with this unless you find a 9 bolt flywheel - 6 bolt flywheel HD clutches are sh1t if you upgrade power later down the track)

tunnel boot will reduce road noise and temp but not necessarily needed to function,
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 29, 2014, 01:08:20 PM
Quote from: A31_25DET;623828
depending on where you get the gearbox, clutch fork might come with it, not sure what you mean by release bearing arm?

Was looking at some manual conversion kits and some came with an bearing arm that looked like it moved the release bearing along gearbox shaft as seen in this picture

(http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/uploads/1312388890/med_gallery_15274_3064_69219.jpg)\

Release Bearing Arm = Clutch Fork :D
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on January 29, 2014, 05:29:13 PM
haha yea there you go :D
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on January 29, 2014, 05:29:47 PM
Quote from: promaori;623835
Release Bearing Arm = Clutch Fork :D

there you go :)

what about the headlight? you want to gift that away :)
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 29, 2014, 07:56:39 PM
Quote from: A31_25DET;623850

what about the headlight? you want to gift that away :)

I went to see this guy from one of the buy & sell pages on facebook who was wrecking a facelift white cefiro and picked up two headlights, a clutch pedal and a clutch master cyl. for $140. Will upload pics once fitted. But I suppose you can have it for test fitting... I'm not too keen on facelift tbh.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 29, 2014, 10:36:11 PM
So heres a pic of it during fitting as a comparison shot:

(http://i.imgur.com/ocLkjdYl.jpg)

Excuse the flash.

And this one after fitting both:

(http://i.imgur.com/fXbfmYHl.jpg)
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on January 30, 2014, 08:54:13 AM
I'm with you there, not a fan of these style lights, sweet want to bring it on Sunday? :)

They guy wrecking the cef didn't have a factory non spoiler boot lid did he?
Title: just another A31
Post by: Aubrey107 on January 30, 2014, 09:02:03 AM
I prefer the pre facelift lights as well. Plus the bumpers
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 30, 2014, 10:54:30 AM
Not too sure. I can ask if you like man
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on January 30, 2014, 03:37:26 PM
Quote from: promaori;623871
Not too sure. I can ask if you like man


yea please :)
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on January 30, 2014, 07:13:14 PM
To fit those facelift headlights, I had to change the bulb mounts on the headlights as the facelift used a much larger diameter, 3-spade bulb. Also, the comparison between the two headlights are that the bulb mount sits much deeper in the facelift, compared with the pre-facelift (that I have). Had to swap the mounts but found that the facelift mounts do not fit inside the pre-facelift headlight.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on February 01, 2014, 01:06:37 PM
shots of my exhaust. sussed it off a mate for $50 and a bottle of V. apparently they're $200 brand new? came with a 2inch silencer, but who wants to silence an RB? not me!

(http://i.imgur.com/S1UB413l.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/W6DB89nl.jpg)
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on February 04, 2014, 07:38:16 PM
So a bit of progress towards collecting my manual conversion pieces. Going to pick up a custom crossmember to suit an auto-to-manual cefiro conversion (he reckons it'll pass wofs, but im not too sure. guess it depends on how anal the wof guy is), release bearing, clutch fork and clutch fork boot for $70. he also reckons I'll need a manual speedo drive, and possibly the cable. so not too sure how much he'll want for that. but he can also suss me brand new bolts for the job for only $30.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on February 18, 2014, 10:07:52 PM
Project Update: Have finally sourced a gearbox. Picked up an RB20DET (RP71C#2) manual gearbox from a guy in Papatoetoe for $300.00. Was hesitant about the purchase at first because I want to get the RB20DET gearbox stamped with RB71C#1 due to the wider gears, larger synchro baulk/rings, but I was convinced by a friend that it'll be great for daily driving, especially when running behind an RB20E.

Have also showered myself with goodies, picking up the manual spigot bush needed for the conversion as well as 3 quart bottles of Redline Heavy Shockproof Gearbox Oil, the guy at BNT reckons RB20DET gearboxes need only 2.4L of oil.

All that is needed now is replacement flywheel bolts. Was considering replacing the bellhousing bolts but not too sure. My Cefiro has just clocked over 267050 k's, but am not sure of the total cost to get full replacement bolts for the conversion. Might mention to my mate to pick up the bellhousing bolts just to be on the safe side.

EDIT** Because I only found out recently that you cannot use the automatic bellhousing bolts on a manual gearbox, I will be getting a set of bellhousing bolts made to spec for fairly cheap.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on February 25, 2014, 10:44:43 PM
Update 25/02: I am basically ready to do my conversion. It turns out that the 'free' GTST front driveshaft piece I received off my mate has a notch in the universal joint that had been partially removed (although it still had the caps in place and everything), so I had to visit Beatty's Driveshaft Centre in Wiri, Auckland to get a brand new joint (~$85.00NZD). Direct replacement of the factory joints used by Nissan, but unfortunately for me the joint is a Staked-In design so removing the old one is turning into a mission itself... More than likely will take it back to Beatty's to get them to install it.

EDIT** For those wanting information about the specifications of the joint, the Cap Diameter? is 24.7mm, and the External Length? is 66mm. The model of the joint that I got is a Turret 701006/UD0912T
Title: just another A31
Post by: b00stinz on February 26, 2014, 04:05:18 PM
Hey just a thing to remember, when putting all the driveshaft nuts and bolts on, make sure they're all the exact same ones. My car has has a slight vibration off throttle around 100kph on the motorway. I finally got under the car a little while ago and found that one of the 4 bolts holding the diff input shaft to the driveshaft was different! THe guy who did the conversion probably lost one and just chucked a random nut and bolt in place haha

Also it wouldn't hurt to replace your rear main seal of the engine as it's a cheap part and easy to do with the gearbox out and also the rear seal of the gearbox tail (was like $9 for the part) and remember to threadlock the flywheel bolts!
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on February 26, 2014, 09:06:54 PM
Quote from: b00stinz;624503
Hey just a thing to remember, when putting all the driveshaft nuts and bolts on, make sure they're all the exact same ones. My car has has a slight vibration off throttle around 100kph on the motorway. I finally got under the car a little while ago and found that one of the 4 bolts holding the diff input shaft to the driveshaft was different! THe guy who did the conversion probably lost one and just chucked a random nut and bolt in place haha

Also it wouldn't hurt to replace your rear main seal of the engine as it's a cheap part and easy to do with the gearbox out and also the rear seal of the gearbox tail (was like $9 for the part) and remember to threadlock the flywheel bolts!

I plan to reuse the auto driveshaft center flange bolts so hopefully that isn't an issue. The seal on the gearbox I have looks really good, though I guess it wouldn't hurt.

Would anyone here know a place to get a universal joint replaced for like $20-$30? I am replacing the joint as there is a notch and not keen to deal with just reseating the existing joint for now. I have purchased the joint already, but am quoted roughly $65.00+GST and up. It's the staked in joints if anyones interested..
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 03, 2014, 08:23:18 PM
Update: I ended up taking the front shaft into Beatty's Driveshaft Centre on Thursday last week (27-02-2014) to have the Turret universal joint I purchased fitted into it. Picked it up today (03-03-2014) and damn it looks sexy. They've painted it and the joint is mint as biscuits. So now to try and organize that workshop time again...
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 15, 2014, 11:00:36 AM
Update: Still haven't had the chance to use the workshop, so I'm kind of annoyed and will probably try to do it on jack stands unless someone can hook me up and give me a hand putting this gearbox in. I was going to use non-OEM bolts for flywheel and bellhousing as it was much cheaper, however found out from Cockram Nissan that I could get:

RB20 Gearbox Bolts x4 @  ~#18.00
(3 sizes; 08171 0651A, 08071 0601A, 08171 0601A (x2))

RB Pressure Plate/Clutch Bolts x6 @ $15.66

With the Gearbox bolts, Cockram Nissan could only send me 3 of the 4 bolts needed as one of them had to be sourced from Japan, but have said I can miss the bolt as it can be supported by the sump bracket bolt...

However, I priced up the x6 flywheel bolts needed from Nissan and I couldn't afford to pick them up this week... Standard pricing came to ~$150, but with the SDU discount it was $120. Ooosh. So had to flag it on that, but wondering whether high tensile bolts will do the trick whilst I am just throwing it in.

 Using a second-hand Exedy HD clutch ($20) which I picked up alongside a new shiny factory manual speedo cluster ($60) on Wednesday from Tauranga

Pics of the cluster:

(http://i.imgur.com/EFhYBpvl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/mIC47s7l.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/fds8BIpl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/94OjcWhl.jpg)

Fortunately I'm not using the speedometer, however I'd hate to know how that happened...

So the question is,

Is it safe to use non-OEM flywheel bolts for a short time due to using a second-hand clutch?

Hopefully I can put it in soon... D: :splat:
Title: just another A31
Post by: Tomy255 on March 15, 2014, 01:50:07 PM
That cluster looks mint! You may aswell do it all in one go man, would be a pain to have to do things twice. I'd personally just wait
Title: just another A31
Post by: A31_25DET on March 15, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
how come your not using the speedo? and im with Tomy, do it once, do it right :)

plus from replacing clutches in my old Laurel on axle stands its no fun pulling gearbox off and on lying on your back haha
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 15, 2014, 11:23:13 PM
Quote from: Tomy255;624873
That cluster looks mint! You may aswell do it all in one go man, would be a pain to have to do things twice. I'd personally just wait

Quote from: A31_25DET;624880
how come your not using the speedo? and im with Tomy, do it once, do it right :)

plus from replacing clutches in my old Laurel on axle stands its no fun pulling gearbox off and on lying on your back haha

I suppose... It means waiting a few more months though and I'm already really keen to put it together. Means I can use it as manual and get used to it by raping a few clutches then chuck a decent clutch kit in with new flashy bolts :P Also, I'm using the speedo in my auto cluster as it reads the correct mileage for the vehicle. And the font is non-facelift...
Title: just another A31
Post by: Aubrey107 on March 16, 2014, 09:48:45 AM
COuldnt you always swap the kms from your cluster to the new cluster and the speedo face as well ? or just wind it to your current kms? Cause that what im planning to do since mine reads about 130,000 when im only done 116,000
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 16, 2014, 12:10:13 PM
That could work, however the way the cluster is designed I can just swap the front cover over and it brings over the manual version of the cluster effectively. It's difficult to explain, but I can offer pictures soon.
Title: just another A31
Post by: Aubrey107 on March 16, 2014, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: promaori;624909
That could work, however the way the cluster is designed I can just swap the front cover over and it brings over the manual version of the cluster effectively. It's difficult to explain, but I can offer pictures soon.


Sweet man! would be keen to see some pics :)
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 16, 2014, 02:40:42 PM
Here is the cluster I have with the front piece taken off. Thinking of just swapping it over :)

(http://i.imgur.com/CTjhAtjl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/QErubdAl.jpg)
Title: just another A31
Post by: Aubrey107 on March 16, 2014, 07:27:32 PM
Umm that could work. Be easier than my idea haha. Thanks for the pics man :)
Title: just another A31
Post by: Andy14 on March 16, 2014, 09:53:43 PM
Im using generic high tensile bolts from waitemata hydraulics for my clutch, flywheel and gearbox bolts. Its in my drift car, done about 5 days and never had a problem. It would be a whole lot cheeper too, probally $30 for the whole lot.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 17, 2014, 12:30:25 AM
Quote from: Andy14;624923
Im using generic high tensile bolts from waitemata hydraulics for my clutch, flywheel and gearbox bolts. Its in my drift car, done about 5 days and never had a problem. It would be a whole lot cheeper too, probally $30 for the whole lot.


Yeah I figured that it wouldn't be much of an issue as long as I wasn't thrashing the crap out of it. But glad to hear you're not having issues doing it in a drift car lol.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 17, 2014, 12:36:45 PM
My question is though, how long can non-oem flywheel bolts be? My custom ones are longer by like 5mm. Same thread and diameter though
Title: just another A31
Post by: Andy14 on March 17, 2014, 07:02:31 PM
run the bolts down into the flywheel and see if the bottom out first or they do up against the underside of the head. Ideally you want them to still nip up under the head than bottom out. and dont use mismatched screws around the flywheel as it might unbalance the flywheel.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 18, 2014, 09:38:40 AM
I got a whole set made up by a mate whose converted a cef before but was surprised they were longer. Posibly going to put it in Thursday night friday if someone keen/owns a gear puller in South Auckland :)
Title: just another A31
Post by: Andy14 on March 18, 2014, 07:28:25 PM
what do you need a gear puller for?
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 18, 2014, 08:49:49 PM
Have to change center flange/hub over on driveshaft from skyline to cef as they are different diameters. The hub is on a spline? Which requires a gear puller to take off.
Title: just another A31
Post by: downtrail on March 19, 2014, 08:19:16 AM
shouldnt need a gear puller they come off easy but you may want to get it ballenced after tho
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Post by: promaori on March 19, 2014, 09:44:01 AM
Then mines stuck on lol. Tried to pull it off and its not budging.

EDIT* Shortly after posting this, I went and tried to pry it off and low and behold, it came off with ease. Perhaps they removed it at Beatty's. But I was wondering whether it would need balancing due to the nature of it. It seems to only go on straight and sit identically to the one I assume would be on the automatic driveshaft. Will see if it's balanced when I throw it in from tomorrow night onwards... (at least thats the plan)
Title: just another A31
Post by: downtrail on March 21, 2014, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: promaori;624961
Then mines stuck on lol. Tried to pull it off and its not budging.

EDIT* Shortly after posting this, I went and tried to pry it off and low and behold, it came off with ease. Perhaps they removed it at Beatty's. But I was wondering whether it would need balancing due to the nature of it. It seems to only go on straight and sit identically to the one I assume would be on the automatic driveshaft. Will see if it's balanced when I throw it in from tomorrow night onwards... (at least thats the plan)


its more the thing with joining 2 different shafts together ie not a matched pair that will be your problem. This is what im assuming your doing lol
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Post by: promaori on March 21, 2014, 06:50:53 PM
Quote from: downtrail;625034
its more the thing with joining 2 different shafts together ie not a matched pair that will be your problem. This is what im assuming your doing lol


haha yeah thats exactly what im doing. The manual driveshaft has a bigger weight on it by the looks of things. but driveshafts are easy to take off, so could be something I can get balanced later. Currently stuck on the spigot bush. Trying to drill it now as borrowing a pretty mint drill, was using a dremel to cut the bush but it's proving rather tedious right now and cold chiseling it doesn't seem to be helping. Haven't got the correct tools to attempt the hydraulic method of stuffing with grease and hammering it out, so if someone has those tools... :D
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 24, 2014, 10:52:28 AM
Finish putting it in and bolting it up last night. Clutch cyl was dicking around but turned out the rod was incorrectly set too long. Rectified it by spinning pin to the end of the thread. Now you have to bring pedal out almost the whole way in order to engage clutch.

Also, the driveshaft flange was put on a few teeth out so I have to take driveshaft out and properly attached the flange.
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 24, 2014, 09:59:59 PM
So tonight I've taken out the driveshaft and correctly set the flange to the right position. Still seems to be driving grainy, but may be just since i haven't driven another rb manual before. Fixed the clutch pedal by adjusting it a bit more and spraying some WD40 on the spring because it seems quite hesitate to spring back. Installed my manual speedo cluster. Looks good :D Pics tomorrow
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 27, 2014, 12:30:53 PM
Just an update of the list of things I need to do now in order to finalize the manual conversion:

-Source and install factory gearbox crossmember (B-Stamp)
-Get another R32 gts-t driveshaft as mine scraps on the trans dust cover
-Replace flywheel bolts.
-install bolts to make sure lower sandwich plate doesn't fall off while driving :P
Title: just another A31
Post by: Tomy255 on March 27, 2014, 01:09:56 PM
Any chance you took pictures while doing the conversion? Make a DIY thread :)
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 27, 2014, 03:46:10 PM
Quote from: Tomy255;625136
Any chance you took pictures while doing the conversion? Make a DIY thread :)

I was planning on it, however I found myself with such a short time frame to convert it that I couldn't take any photos. However I wouldn't mind helping another member out with it to make a tutorial. And I'm sure it worths the same converting a C33.
Title: just another A31
Post by: Tomy255 on March 27, 2014, 05:39:31 PM
Algood bro, dont think il be doing a full manual conversion on my c33 but big changes are happening. will announce very soon
Title: Automatic Spigot Bush Removal
Post by: promaori on March 27, 2014, 07:05:17 PM
All I have from my conversion are these photos I took of how to remove the spigot bush using a $34.99 ($27.99 with SCA Club Membership) Small Bearing Puller from Super Cheap Auto.

Before using the bearing puller. Tried using the drill and cold chisel technique... Didn't work. Tried the fill with grease and hammer a socket in... Didn't work.

(http://i.imgur.com/zFyYg8jl.jpg)

So asked on RBWest Facebook group and someone said to use this modified bearing puller. The back corners of one arm were filed down in order to get a reasonable angle on the crank-side of the automatic bearing. Insert into the bearing hole as shown below, and place the bearing screw/bolt on an A/T flywheel bolt that's finger tight. It's good to put one on either side of the bearing hole as you can wriggle it out without warping or damaging the crank (although my attempts at cold chiseling it out probably are cause for concern.)

(http://i.imgur.com/S1lgWobl.jpg)

And it came out piss easy.
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Post by: b00stinz on March 27, 2014, 10:13:16 PM
Honestly as whorey as some of the ideas are. RBwest has some genius mofos
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 28, 2014, 08:07:58 AM
Yeah, I was surprised to be honest. A lot of them were saying use grease and bread but I'd wrecked it too much. My question is now... How can I use the tool to ease getting manual spigots out
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on March 28, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
Update: So I have been using the car to go to tech and do my business in since Monday after I finished it, and have come to the conclusion (with the help of my Dad) that my gearbox is vibrating a fair bit, but have also discovered a whine in fifth. It's probably good that I've made the purchase official through trade-me, however I doubt the guy I bought it off can be of any help. I have made a post about it in the Maintenance and Car Care section of the forum (http://www.skylinesdownunder.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=625159)
Title: just another A31
Post by: MDM on April 03, 2014, 09:06:14 PM
the vibration isn't from the drive shaft being out of balance ?? I only skimmed through this thread so might have missed if it was balanced..
Title: just another A31
Post by: promaori on April 03, 2014, 10:52:38 PM
Yeah, I think I have come to the conclusion with myself that the driveshaft will definitely need balancing. So I'm currently working on the crossmember and gearstick boot due to being bogged down at tech the last few weeks.

However, I made the trip to Hamilton this evening to pick up a b-stamp crossmember for my gearbox. Having put the custom job on, it's safe to say that it's done its job, by providing a temporary crossmember while I sort out a proper one.

I have also been busy this afternoon sorting out my wiring after converting it. Basically I was running a temp wire for my inhibitor so I could drive to tech and back, but today have taken the auto gearbox loom (gearbox was thrown at metalman, along with the torque converter and auto flywheel for a measly $21.90 (71Kg worth of aluminium D: ).
Title: Reverse Switch/Inhibitor Removal
Post by: promaori on April 03, 2014, 10:53:58 PM
Just converted your Cefiro to manual? Here's how to get it started and sort out the reverse lights so people know to back the f**k up.

These are the plugs related to the automatic transmission:

(http://i.imgur.com/NLBfZwOl.jpg)

The plugs that aren't labelled don't need anything plugged into them once you go manual as far as I know. However, the ones that are labelled are required which the automatic transmission loom will be modified to suit the manual gearbox.

The inhibitor plug:

(http://i.imgur.com/uJF3mB6l.jpg)

It is literally two spade crimp connectors, however to make it look semi tidy, we can chop the majority of the wires on the gearbox loom side, and solder them together to remove the inhibitor indefinitely. You could even wire these to the neutral switch on the gearbox, which basically prevents the starter motor from doing anything unless the gearstick is in the neutral position.

(http://i.imgur.com/VEO9CBel.jpg)

Now that the Cefiro can be started, we must look into sorting out the reverse lights.

The gear selector plug:

(http://i.imgur.com/cnyaCxel.jpg)

Since we don't have a use for selecting gears, we can use this plug along with the reverse switch on the gearbox to activate the reverse lights when the gearbox is in reverse. Cut the other wires off and leaving the GREEN and BLACK wires.

(http://i.imgur.com/aPppy1bl.jpg)

If you haven't already, cut the plug off the reverse switch and solder your green and black wires to the switch (It doesn't matter which wire goes where, it's a switch.)

(WILL ADD PICTURES OF CUTTING AND SPLICING INTO REVERSE SWITCH, MAYBE)