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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2006, 09:19:07 AM »
he just bought my old front brakes off me. lol..

damn there is so much work to actually make a rally car.. id be keen to do one myself.. but dont really have the time or $$ to do it.. prehaps i can just give people hands with there cars...
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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2006, 11:13:12 AM »
Sway bars are Whiteline adjustable. I'm making the strut braces, but will be using the ones off my road car for the moment. I'm going to build up a custom coilover so I can acheive good ground clearance for gravel, as well as a second setting for tarmac. Speedfactor here in Tauranga has coilovers that they can customize springrate damper rate and ride height.
The brakes will be the same as my red car, R33GT25 disks and calipers, mintex pads and at least dot 5.1 fluid.

I want to put a cage in asap for the whole safety thing (Mum;) )and to tighten the body up.

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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2006, 12:51:56 PM »
I wouldnt use 5.1 fluid... its completely unnecessary and not very efficient, Elf HTX115 is some of the best around, used by alot of very quick track cars. Have you thought about slotted rotors at all? check out http://www.racebrakes.co.nz for a good read up on the differences....

As for cage, make sure you go to someone who knows what they are doing and that you make them aware it will be used for both rally and track, its not cheap once you factor in getting seats and harness's as well, but as you said well worth it! I would highly recommened with harness's getting at least 5 point and camlock NOT lever lock.

What sort of rally do you plan on doing? ie just club events such as gravel sprints, or are you looking at joining a regional series like Central regions or Top half? As if you want to compete in alot of the events you need both a navigator and things like a terratrip too.

Hope this is helping!
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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2006, 01:18:52 PM »
I'll look into the Elf fluid, and slotted rotors will come one day.
Camlock belts would be expensive wont they?
Mainly just club events, don't think a Skyline would be overly competitive elsewhere and as for a navigator, I wouldn't be lucky enough to find anyone to sit next to me while screaming round a corner all crossed up!
Cool thing is, I can just play around at club level stuff and see if I want to (or afford) go on to a more national level.

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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2006, 05:15:21 PM »
yeah the Elf stuff is well worth it, there is a few quick road cars that get track bashed using it that I know of with no complaints, also Hawk pads come well recommended, however you pay for the quality!

as for rally, put it this way, there are many different cars turning up and all sorts of skill levels etc. So I wouldnt worry about who you compete with, rallying is all about enjoying the driving!

I worked at the Tauranga rally a while back, that would be a good entry level event, however it does require a navigator.... Ask around your local clubs about what gravel events are available that do and dont require a cage and also what requires a navi (also get someone to co-drive with you to give you tips etc and help you thru the paperwork).

Its unfortuante your not in the wellington area, as we have 2 good gravel events, one in Kapiti and one in the Wairarapa run by local clubs, plus half a dozen street sprints a year too. And we also have some very active people out there organising things too and access to the MSNZ technical staff like Leon.

Do you have any sort of budget at this stage? As harness's arent that expensive, have a look at:
http://www.palmside.co.nz/accessories.asp?category=SAFETY&subcategory=HARNESS

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$370.00 (Ex GST) for 5 & 6 Point

Thats not that expensive really.... Its the cage and padding thats more expensive, although it depends what seats you want too as they can get up there! A basic Racetech 1000 (FIA approved) is $550 (ex GST).
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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2006, 04:57:56 AM »
Awesome project. :)

ELF is good brake fluid for a Skyline.

I noticed Skylines compete in the Targa NZ Rally/Endurance racing, like the
Dodsons RB30 powered RWD R32GTS Skyline. Racebrakes also have R33GTR
racecar that competes in the Targa NZ Rally.

Probably in your case, it would be easier to start of with something like the
Narva Tour (beginners version of the Targa NZ Rally) which requires minimal
safety equipment.

There was a grey 2 door GTS Skyline in the Narva Tour, that now competes
in the Targa NZ Rally. From what I can remember the speed limit is 200km/h
on the Narva Tour, so suits the stock speedo.

Narva Tour and equipment required -

http://www.targa.co.nz/Narva_Tour_753.aspx

I was told that a monoque chassis needs strengthening when it's done over
200,000kms. So I would fit a rollcage (due to the chassis age and high km)
then fit coilovers. Other wise you could end up with a twisted chassis. Also
make sure you get the car corner weighted when using coilovers.
« Last Edit: August 31, 2006, 05:15:44 AM by gtsr »

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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2006, 07:27:14 AM »
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yeah the Elf stuff is well worth it, there is a few quick road cars that get track bashed using it that I know of with no complaints, also Hawk pads come well recommended, however you pay for the quality!


yep hawk are very good pads, however they don't make pads to suit the GTS and GTS25 I tried getting some for my GTS25 and thats when I found they couldn't be supplied, so I ended up having to go for mintex and payed heaps to get them custom made, but well worth it the extra $$ and they last well too, 4 track days and normal road use over the past 2 years and they only need replacing now.
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Taupo Track 2, 1.23
Taupo track 3, 47.89
Taupo track 4, 2.02
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Pukekohe, 1.17
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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2006, 07:51:19 AM »
Yeah I'm dead keen on doing the Targa tour one day. We've chased all round the country for a few years now. Not keen on paying $1000's for the full targa tho.
Yeah I saw that GTS-t in the tour and in the Targa the following year, very impressive drive, probably got the record the highest jump and longest drift in the field!
I'm just going to run the brakes and pads I got off Geoff for the moment with some good fluid, I've gotta sort out the handling first as the HICAS rear makes it pretty terrible.

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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2006, 08:20:39 AM »
HICAS - you know you want to rip it out! Its not that expensive and would certainly make life easier.... Plus if you remove it, thats another form of weight reduction too....

Ohh and Ive emailed you back :)
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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2006, 10:22:44 AM »
Yip, hopefully the subframe turns up this weekend:)

P.S. Anyone got a non-HICAS powersteering pump?

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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2006, 12:04:23 PM »
Targa NZ Rally requires alot of $$$$. I noticed some take it easy over the
massive dips in the road, some show off and jump them. The way the
GTS-T bottomed out on one of the jumps. Not sure if was just the
exhaust or something else.

Skylines handle better without HICAS, as it reduces oversteer when
exiting a corner and slightly reduces bodyroll. Also the stability
on the motorway is amazing.
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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2006, 06:16:32 PM »
A bit of progress was made last week. The interior is all but stripped, just the door trims and hood lining to go. Left them in for the moment because the car still gets drven on the road now and then. Got just about all of the tar stuff out (covers all the floor in this shot); about a week of nights after work with a heat gun and scraper put paid to that.

The interior has black sticky stuff everywhere.

I'm thinking I'll paint the interior white now, along with the black bits on the outside, the paint scheme is wearing a bit thin on me now.:spew: ;)
Got rid of the air-con and made the cold air induction and intake pipe on the weekend, that got the motor screaming. Also tweeked the timing a bit which livened the thing up a bit.
Once again left the car with my under paid over worked mechanic ;) who informed me that he was going to do the brake conversion in his lunch hour this week, save him doing it on Saturday when I'm there to help with the exhaust and HICAS removal. We'll make this car go round corners yet!
Looking on target for the trackday later this month, if not, I'm only too happy to run the red one:D
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2006, 07:01:53 PM »
looking good! remember you have to have door trims anyway for pretty much most events, its a safety measure.... unless your planning a lighter replacement part that does the same function?
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2006, 01:08:53 PM »
Yip alloy sheet, eventually. Should probably remove the electric windows too.

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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2006, 01:21:12 PM »
Once you've stripped it all out, make sure you weigh it